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explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Beckley

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and Tim sports two three four HUP two

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three four hi Tim what are you doing

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well can't you see I'm I'm walking the

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perimeter here around this Bigfoot

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desperate I'm perfectly I'm protecting

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him

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Bigfoot I i'm afraid somebody's gonna

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come some hunter is gonna come out of

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the woods and try to take him down and

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and you know apparently they have

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permission to do it that Tim I I'm I I

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I'm just really weirded out by this I I

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appear a copy of the front page of the

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Whitehall Times and it says targeting

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sasquatch Dec 2 in limited licences to

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hunt the beasts and an article by

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Matthew Searle says it's no secret that

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Whitehall which is in upstate New York

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has had an elevated level of Sasquatch

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sightings the animal is as much a part

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in the town's persona as the railroad is

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it is exactly because of this heightened

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level of sightings that the State

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Department of Environmental Conservation

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in an act that is a hundred and eighty

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degrees from a previously released

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statement six years ago we'll be issuing

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a limited number of Sasquatch hunting

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licenses this fall Tim I am totally

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appalled why it's it's funny that you

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should say that to him

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because Paul is one of our guests

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tonight's Paul bar are you oh my

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goodness yeah and so I mean are you

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gonna run out now and get your Bigfoot

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hunting license well well I know I'm

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protecting the the the the creature I I

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think they're about ready to come home

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this evening and they got a couple of

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stray dog men with him haha that really

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alive in the party up right now I don't

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think that you're allowed to hunt dog

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men though I think only only be only

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Bigfoot and anyway no bite it only

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Bigfoot in Whitehall anyway Tim I think

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you should tell our listeners what they

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have in store this evening well Tim

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tonight's we are just thrilled to have

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two fantastic guests with us we have

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Linda Godfrey and Paul Bartholomew now

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Linda and I think that you would have to

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have been hiding in that Bigfoot

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enclosure you were guarding there to him

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not to know who Linda is but Linda is an

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author investigator and artist and she's

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the author of 70 books on strange

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creatures phenomena and and other weird

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things now for almost a quarter of a

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century ever since

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breaking the original story of the beast

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of Bray Road a small town in a small

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town West Council newspaper

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Linda Guthrie has been chasing the

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elusive eight upright canine some folks

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call werewolves dog man what have you I

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mean there seems to be just about as

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many names as there are strange beasts

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and Australia have contacted Linda with

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reports of their own encounters

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sometimes these stories describe Bigfoot

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giant birds we know about the giant

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the fact that people keep seeing these

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things is what drives her to keep

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and writing about them and after all

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this time and all these books well she's

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still tracking these unknown creatures

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now I have to say that some of her books

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us it sounds like some of my family

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reunions real werewolf man true

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encounters in modern america the beast

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werewolf now also with us tonight is

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Paul Bartholomew now Paul has been on

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the show before and it's always great to

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have him with us to talk about these

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things now Paul has been researching

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phenomena for well over 35 years he was

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Casselton State College in Casselton

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Vermont where he studied under

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anthropologists and Pulitzer Prize

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nominee dr. Warren L Cooke now Paul was

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a research consultant for the December

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the real king kong boy that sounds like

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a Japanese movie there so uh and in May

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2004 for the outdoor life Network

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documentary the creature of Whitehall as

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well he's also appeared on the animal

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planet program Finding Bigfoot

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so now Paul along with his brother

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Robert is the author of the books

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England and monsters of the North Woods

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so Lynda Paul thank you very much for

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being with us tonight on exploring the

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bizarre well I can see why Bigfoot needs

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a little bit of protection there Tim Tim

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why don't you take the the reins here

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and and and and start out and and get

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the close the corral who are there

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behind you and start out by talking with

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the Lynda and finding out what the heck

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she's been doing since the beast of a

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road which pieces braver has become what

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certainly become one of the most

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talked-about urban legends of the last

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decade or so would you say oh definitely

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where and I think that because of

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Linda's interest and her research on

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this subject she's really made you know

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the werewolves Wolfman whatever want to

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call them dog man

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really a not a point of contention but

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you know something that people are

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willing to talk about because I know

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before Linda started getting into this

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kind of research and investigate and you

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know if you would bring up the idea of

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wolf men you would probably get laughed

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willing to accept the idea of say like a

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Bigfoot or you know other hairy hominids

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but wolf man that's just crazy talk so

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Linda thanks for being with us tonight

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well thanks so much for having me it's

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great to be here so now I wanted to ask

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you you know just just right off the bat

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you know I'm a reader of your blog and

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I've been been that for a long time and

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your most current story the dog dog man

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on the roof I think is what the title

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was I just I find the idea that like

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other sorts of paranormal phenomena and

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even some UFO cases this guy and

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probably others as well seems to have a

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stalker

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especially especially people who live on

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farms or near very large tracts of

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wooded areas you know if they've got a

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lot of of cover around them that's where

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it usually seems to happen although it

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can happen in actually fairly suburban

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or urban areas too but it just seems

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cases it's almost like the dog man was

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there first and is defending his

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territory and is they also seem very

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curious about humans you know though

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people will see them coming up to their

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windows I'm not I've heard of several

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where they also came up on people's

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roofs one was just a few years ago and

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actually going stretching way back it

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doesn't seem terribly unusual there was

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one that happened and I think I'm gonna

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say Decatur Illinois where somebody they

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they were woken up by some kind of

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strange noises looked out and saw a pack

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of several hi excuse me

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several seven foot high six or seven

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foot high canine creatures walking on

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their hind legs silently down the street

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end of the street she was watching them

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this whole time they didn't seem to

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realize she was there but she watched

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them climb up the sides of the house

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going up the gutter spouts and

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everything and then just sort of

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swarming the house from the rooftop they

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looked down and look around and then

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they came back down and walked off in

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the direction of what would have been

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and out-of-season golf course which

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could have why I would crap in my pants

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I was enough to see one hiding be a

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ripping apart your garbage can but a

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hole it sounds like to shoot out of the

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OK Corral or something like that yeah

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you know has never gotten over it and it

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will happen to people on the order of

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seeing a large upright canine and they

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just sit on it keep it in there locked

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in their mind sometimes they just go

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into denial sometimes they'll excitedly

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tell one or two people and just get

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laughed out of the room and vowed never

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to do that again sometimes they just

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don't know where to go with their

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stories and or they think they're the

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only one that ever had such an

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occurrence so oftentimes it's you know

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one to fifteen twenty years have gone by

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before they report it

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that happens very often well that makes

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you know people are familiar you know

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with with Bigfoot ghosts in UFOs but you

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know up until recently you know upright

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cadence haven't got a lot of press

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haven't got a lot of love and so I can

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see how someone you know say like you

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know yeah even with the you know like

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UFO cases you know they're gonna be

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reluctant to talk about their

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experiences because they know very well

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they're gonna get to as you said they're

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gonna get laughed out of the room and

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then probably teased for the rest of

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their life oh yes and that happened to

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some of the very first witnesses that we

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had and also there are a surprising

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number of people who identify themselves

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as either former a retired police

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officer sheriff's deputies people with

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high security clearances at airports

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things like that word they cannot risk

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their jobs

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by becoming known as somebody who has

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seen one of these creatures you know so

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people back so do you think that there's

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been cases where people will see these

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things and not realizing that there have

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been other reports of of dog man or you

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know wolf type upright wolf type

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creatures and instead report them as as

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funny-looking Bigfoot yes yes exactly

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that that happened a lot more at first

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when I began writing about it until

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people got used to the idea that we're

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talking about two completely different

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not just species but you know orders or

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types of animals canines versus primates

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and there are so many differences in the

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body structure and the way they move in

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their heads and everything that it most

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of the time when people get a good look

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they are certain which one they saw you

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know and if I try and say are you sure

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this wasn't a Bigfoot

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or are you sure this would have been you

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know maybe a canine or some type of

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animal they well sometimes get very

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indignant and they're like no I know

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what it was and the big the big

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differences are that a dog man has a

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head that's usually described as like a

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German Shepherd or a timber wolf and

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that means pointed ears on top of the

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head a long muzzle big fangs usually

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there's yellow eye shine

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the feet are it walks on its toe pads or

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digitigrade so that what we would think

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of as the heel is up off of of the

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ground kind of like if you're walking

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around on your tiptoes you know your

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heel you're trying to hold your heel up

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off the ground

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that would be their Hawk that would be

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the tech not technical through but usual

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term too like a veterinarian or someone

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would use and so when people see that

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you're thinking that that should be the

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knee joint and so people will say well

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it was walking really well on just its

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toe pads but its legs were bent

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backwards you know and I know

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immediately what that means they're

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observing accurately and describing

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accurately they just don't know the

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actual terms and you know face it how

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many people sit down and really study

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the anatomy of dog likes you know to be

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able to whip off a really accurate

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biological description of it so they say

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the legs are bent backwards and then

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often times they'll say although

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sometimes I get weird ones where they

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say the arms are hanging down but very

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often they'll say that it was holding

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its hands in front of it like your dog

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would if it were sending up begging for

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a treat or like a Tyrannosaurus Rex

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something like that so and they're

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covered with fur usually the normal

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different shades that you'd see in an

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ordinary wolf pack dark brown gray

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sometimes black and that's the regular

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description now there are other kinds

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and I'm not going to say species because

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there are other kinds of weird canines

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that don't quite fit that description

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and and our different phenomena entirely

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you know like phantom large phantom

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canines and and then we have some that

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look like what you might call a

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skinwalker you know in your Native

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American land

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landholdings there okay so there's a

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whole leather road to go down that way I

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won't get into it right now look I gotta

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ask you do they do they growl I mean I

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remark or make any kind of sound or are

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they silent many people will describe

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hearing it make this sort of weird

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variably pitched growling sound and they

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say it's a deep loud growl but when they

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imitate it for me and I've had people

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you know imitate this thing on the phone

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for me from different parts of the

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country not knowing anybody else has

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done this and it's it reminds me of the

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old cappuccino makers where you know the

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they would grind down and then hot go up

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high kind of or like starting your

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engine in a cold morning you know in

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your car that's what most people

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describe their sound as and sometimes as

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a big hole that's more than just a wolf

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howl that is more throaty sometimes it's

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almost more like a scream I've had I've

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heard it described that way too

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but it also seems to impart what people

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feel are some sort of mental message not

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not telepathy exactly but they say that

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they feel it's communicating something

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specific like if I wanted to I could

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come and jump on your car or I'm better

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than you or if you tell anyone you saw

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me I will get you those are just a

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couple of samples but I hear this you

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know when you say jump jumping jumping

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on the car that was going to be my next

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question is there any physical evidence

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I mean I know a Bigfoot you know that

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we've got the plaster of Paris cast and

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all kinds of you know footprints and the

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softest soil how about with the with the

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these canine giant canines do we have do

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we have scratch marks or bite marks or

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any sort of evidence other than the word

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of the witch

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yeah yeah we've had I've found a number

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of really very very good prints and I

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have good pictures of them with a ruler

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I'm always admonishing people if you're

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going out in the field don't forget to

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take a ruler or we won't know what size

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these things are that you're taking

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pictures of you know but I have very

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good prints of different places and

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different modes of walking I've had one

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photograph and I've had it online

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different places and I don't know if

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it's still up somewhere but a man in

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Quebec was walking along a trail and

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that's the Quebec province in Canada and

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it came face-to-face with an upright dog

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man and it's kind of like both were

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surprised

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neither knew what to do the dog man

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lunged and the man was so it he said it

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was kind of like being in a grocery

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store where someone's coming at you with

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a cart and you need neither one knows

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which way to go and so it was lunging

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and he kind of went the wrong way and he

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didn't think it meant to actually harm

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him at all but it ended up sort of

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grazing his side with its thing as it

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lunged past him and he had to go to the

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hospital and get some stitches he and

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this jagged wound he sent me a picture

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of the wound and the scar on his on his

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side and I showed it covered by

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insurance well he told them it was a

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bear he said he knew that they would

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never you know believe what it what it

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really was so there are those and then

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there are incidents where back when this

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was starting in ninety eight ninety one

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in 292 one of the original witnesses in

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my original newspapers story said that

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it lunged for the back of her car and

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scratched it with its claws and I did

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see that I do have photo to take

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photographs and it was consistent with

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something with you know four or five

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claws on each side scraping the blue

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paint off the trunk of her car you can't

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prove what made those marks though I had

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another guy that said his shirt was

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ripped and lent it to me for a while but

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I couldn't find any fibers to you know

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to prove it was just the claws that

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ripped it so you know the the

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sort of tantalizing because we get these

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leads and we you keep there's just no

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real way usually to confirm them and the

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thing is with these creatures that are

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described as being almost wholly canine

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looking and this is probably at least

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ninety percent of the of the reports

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that I get they just they don't look

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like they have any human parts in them

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so if you got hair from one or whatever

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and it was analyzed I think the odds are

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good that it would just show up in some

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canine was maybe a strange mutation or

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two so I'm not sure that that would even

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do any good multiple witnesses you mean

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at the of the same creature at the same

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time yeah yeah yeah right yes this does

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happen too there was there was one well

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the when I was talking about getting the

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really great prints there was one that

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happened in South Milwaukee believe it

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or not it's kind of an unkempt Road the

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leads from a neighborhood to the Lake

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Michigan shore where there's a steep

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drop-off and there were four young

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people just taking a stroll down that

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road and there aren't any street lights

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on that part when something jumped out

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of the cornfield

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between the neighborhood and and the

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cliff and they realized it was some type

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of canine on its hind legs and began

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chasing them and now this is another

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strange part of the phenomenon and you

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hear this in I've had Bigfoot reports

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that are the same way and even though

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people feel that the creature could

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easily have caught them seeing how fast

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they moved and it's just that if cases

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that up for a little while until they're

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just terrified and then they turn back

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and see it just veering off into the

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woods or the cornfield or whatever there

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was well this happened to four young

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people and the guy the the end person in

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the line you know how they always say I

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only have to run faster than you you

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know not if the bear is chasing us it's

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Kevin old joke well that he was he was

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the one that everybody ran faster then

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and his cannot loose cotton shirt on it

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was kind of billowing out behind him

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and it had these these claw marks in it

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but we also found I was there within one

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or two days and we were walking around

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there were little inroads into the

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cornfield and we checked a couple of

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those out and at the end of one well

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into the field not on the road there was

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a big nice clay type mud puddle

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where you could see a deer head run

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through and then you can see its back

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legs scrunching down into the mud where

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it and then it's spraying away and you

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could see just canine with huge wolf

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like prints doing the same thing where

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it's hawks came down into the mud and

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then sprang off so it looked out looks

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like a full footprint alright we need to

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go to our first break here so we'll be

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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Lee and Tings lists well you know Tim ah

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Here I am I'm still guarding the Bigfoot

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nest outside of Whitehall because I know

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the the City Council has approved and

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people to to go in in in in Hunnam down

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and you know i'm just afraid for his

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safety I think I'll get Lynda to send

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over some of these dog Minh to protect

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protect the the Bigfoot nest but you

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know I just was speaking of Lynda she's

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written a course probably started out a

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writing about the these weird wolf type

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of creatures in America not in history

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but in in the current legend and lore

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and in reality perhaps and it very much

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impressed her early writings very much

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impressed

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Peter Bernard who is the individual the

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fellow here that we work with who puts

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the show up on YouTube he's a very

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famous cartoonist and a an animator and

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in fact he does a as show on YouTube

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it's called scary stories and why see

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and this week he's doing daily dog man

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there's going to be a new episode every

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day of for the entire month related to a

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different dog man experienced some of

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them are indeed based upon true accounts

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and they are just superbly narrated by

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his team of narrators and in fact scary

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stories will relaunch in June

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the scary stories NYC audio podcast and

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in July Peter the show's creator will

543
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:06,259
appear at the North East comic-con in

544
00:26:11,950 --> 00:26:09,289
Massachusetts along with Micky Dolenz of

545
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,960
the Monkees and Barry Gregg Brandi

546
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:14,240
Williams of the Brady Bunch

547
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,289
and actually you can find the softcover

548
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:20,240
book version of the show and get it

549
00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:22,490
autographed because I've done the

550
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:24,110
forward to it

551
00:26:33,879 --> 00:26:28,490
so Peter Bernard and do give a listen to

552
00:26:38,489 --> 00:26:33,889
his scary stories NYC and you will be

553
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:38,499
enthralled by the daily Dogman episodes

554
00:26:46,989 --> 00:26:42,289
every day every weekday of the entire

555
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:46,999
month but Paul I'm totally a gasps is it

556
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:54,049
true that the Whitehall now before we

557
00:26:58,539 --> 00:26:56,330
get into it into whether you can

558
00:27:00,220 --> 00:26:58,549
actually shoot down a Bigfoot in

559
00:27:02,919 --> 00:27:00,230
Whitehall why don't you give us a little

560
00:27:08,379 --> 00:27:02,929
history of a white home we read it where

561
00:27:10,629 --> 00:27:08,389
it is and how it got so involved in in

562
00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:10,639
in Bigfoot because we usually will be to

563
00:27:15,399 --> 00:27:12,710
think of Bigfoot and sasquatch or at

564
00:27:19,659 --> 00:27:15,409
least I'm sure some listeners still do

565
00:27:23,950 --> 00:27:19,669
think of it as being a preacher that

566
00:27:25,989 --> 00:27:23,960
seen mainly in the North West the part

567
00:27:27,310 --> 00:27:25,999
of the country you know California in

568
00:27:31,659 --> 00:27:27,320
Oregon

569
00:27:35,789 --> 00:27:31,669
and up into Canada we don't normally

570
00:27:39,789 --> 00:27:35,799
think of Bigfoot as a hunkering down in

571
00:27:42,669 --> 00:27:39,799
upstate New York so what say ye what

572
00:27:48,220 --> 00:27:42,679
what if what does Whitehall have that

573
00:27:50,409 --> 00:27:48,230
Bigfoot finds so enticing well we have

574
00:27:52,629 --> 00:27:50,419
that traditional history that no one

575
00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:52,639
really knew about before a few years ago

576
00:27:57,489 --> 00:27:55,220
where you look back into the history of

577
00:28:00,730 --> 00:27:57,499
Whitehall and you find references these

578
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,740
types of creatures all throughout and of

579
00:28:07,060 --> 00:28:02,480
course Whitehall is a very historic

580
00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:07,070
location we're about 25 miles from

581
00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:08,750
Ticonderoga New York

582
00:28:14,620 --> 00:28:11,990
very historical place so we've got a lot

583
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,630
of history here and it turns out that

584
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:17,120
Whitehall is the birthplace of the US

585
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:19,310
Navy one of the places that that claims

586
00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:22,370
that right and so it used to be called

587
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:24,680
scheme's borough after Philips scheme

588
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:26,960
and so when we start looking at the

589
00:28:33,460 --> 00:28:29,330
history of these cases we had a major

590
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:33,470
case in the 1970s in which police were

591
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:35,510
involved with a sighting of a creature

592
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:38,960
out on a bear Road and multiple police

593
00:28:44,860 --> 00:28:41,120
officers there may have been as many as

594
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:44,870
12 or 13 witnesses investigation after

595
00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:47,090
40 years is still going on in the into

596
00:28:52,390 --> 00:28:49,220
this particular incident but it was

597
00:28:53,650 --> 00:28:52,400
highly credible incidents and we started

598
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,660
looking back because that became a

599
00:28:58,930 --> 00:28:56,000
landmark case where there's been a lot

600
00:29:01,090 --> 00:28:58,940
of Bigfoot activity a very solid case

601
00:29:03,070 --> 00:29:01,100
and so people use that as a reference

602
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:03,080
point and then we started looking back

603
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:04,910
into the history and we found out that

604
00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:07,520
the Algonquin and the Iroquois had

605
00:29:13,780 --> 00:29:10,670
legends of giant men of the mountains or

606
00:29:16,750 --> 00:29:13,790
the Samuel Champlain referenced the

607
00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:16,760
goo-goo which was a large creature that

608
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:19,220
was that they had been formed up by the

609
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:23,290
Native Americans so we have all these

610
00:29:30,340 --> 00:29:26,930
Algonquin the Iroquois references and so

611
00:29:32,830 --> 00:29:30,350
forth so it's a rich history here that

612
00:29:35,380 --> 00:29:32,840
was often overlooked of this creature

613
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:35,390
which was generally described as being

614
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:37,730
anywhere from you know five feet to

615
00:29:43,630 --> 00:29:41,090
about nine feet is usually the larger

616
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:43,640
type type creatures and being

617
00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:46,310
multicolored sometimes read sometimes

618
00:29:53,860 --> 00:29:49,750
Brown sometimes black having hair

619
00:29:57,220 --> 00:29:53,870
walking on two legs making high-pitched

620
00:30:00,760 --> 00:29:57,230
squeals like a pig squealing or a woman

621
00:30:03,460 --> 00:30:00,770
screaming and so when we started looking

622
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,470
at the cases we ended up where where

623
00:30:07,330 --> 00:30:05,360
there are only a handful cases we

624
00:30:10,210 --> 00:30:07,340
started investigating and talking with

625
00:30:13,150 --> 00:30:10,220
witnesses and we turned out back in the

626
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:13,160
80s we turned up 140 separate encounters

627
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:16,010
with creatures like this so it's very

628
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:19,130
common much more common than we thought

629
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,830
and as Linda had pointed out the

630
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:22,640
witnesses

631
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:25,520
have everything to lose and nothing to

632
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,290
gain by coming forward with that

633
00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:29,600
ridicule factor and if you're in law

634
00:30:34,270 --> 00:30:31,880
enforcement like we've had here several

635
00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:34,280
law enforcement officers have sightings

636
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:36,380
then it's a big taboo because you don't

637
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:38,450
want to be known as the Bigfoot cop and

638
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,750
so it we had a fellow with my neighbor

639
00:30:47,049 --> 00:30:44,000
Dan Gordon he ended up going on the

640
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:47,059
History Channel show monster quest and

641
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:49,130
he was actually on giganto when they ran

642
00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:51,320
that special and Dan actually took a

643
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:53,990
polygraph test and showed no deception

644
00:30:57,940 --> 00:30:56,210
of course I knew that I grew up with the

645
00:30:59,950 --> 00:30:57,950
N one of the most honest people I ever

646
00:31:02,530 --> 00:30:59,960
ever met and he was with another officer

647
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:02,540
at the time of his sighting back in the

648
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:06,169
1980s 1982 when they saw a creature

649
00:31:11,650 --> 00:31:08,809
crossed the road in front of them they

650
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:11,660
were both on duty at the time so he had

651
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:14,330
to keep that secret for 22 years

652
00:31:18,190 --> 00:31:16,370
before he could talk about it because he

653
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:18,200
didn't want to be known as the Bigfoot

654
00:31:25,210 --> 00:31:21,290
cop so we have this rich history here

655
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:25,220
and then a few years ago the Dec the

656
00:31:29,950 --> 00:31:26,650
Department of Environmental Conservation

657
00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:29,960
issued a statement in response to a

658
00:31:35,409 --> 00:31:33,380
fellow named Peter Weimer and he had

659
00:31:36,130 --> 00:31:35,419
asked about laws to protect these

660
00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:36,140
creatures

661
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:39,830
well Whitehall had passed a law which I

662
00:31:45,310 --> 00:31:42,980
had written back in 2004 which was a

663
00:31:47,740 --> 00:31:45,320
symbolic legislation protecting these

664
00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:47,750
creatures and basically was an education

665
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:50,990
about them and universal you wrote the

666
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:54,049
law the legislation yep it was largely

667
00:31:59,140 --> 00:31:56,809
alacant and in honor of dr. cook

668
00:32:02,140 --> 00:31:59,150
well Peter had asked about the same

669
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:02,150
thing for New York State and turns out

670
00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:05,510
the Dec issued a statement stating that

671
00:32:10,930 --> 00:32:08,390
there was no evidence of creatures like

672
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:10,940
this here or anywhere throughout the

673
00:32:16,990 --> 00:32:13,070
world and it was sort of add they were

674
00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:17,000
very frightened they obviously have not

675
00:32:22,780 --> 00:32:19,520
been listening to exploring the bizarre

676
00:32:25,539 --> 00:32:22,790
no and you know it was one of those

677
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:25,549
things that I think was a backlash where

678
00:32:29,770 --> 00:32:27,200
it came back on him because they got

679
00:32:31,540 --> 00:32:29,780
even more interest once they picked up

680
00:32:35,049 --> 00:32:31,550
that story where they had issued that

681
00:32:36,580 --> 00:32:35,059
statement more responses so it sort of

682
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:36,590
turned around on him

683
00:32:41,739 --> 00:32:39,710
and at any rate so when they the

684
00:32:46,749 --> 00:32:41,749
Whitehall times decided to run a story

685
00:32:49,090 --> 00:32:46,759
on the Dec issuing hunting licenses for

686
00:32:56,019 --> 00:32:49,100
a big flood and I'm sure they probably

687
00:32:59,409 --> 00:32:56,029
didn't appreciate that well I say well

688
00:33:02,919 --> 00:32:59,419
now I'm looking here okay at the the

689
00:33:07,649 --> 00:33:02,929
Sentinel times and I see that there is a

690
00:33:10,210 --> 00:33:07,659
map and it says a map notes the 2017

691
00:33:14,049 --> 00:33:10,220
Sasquatch sightings near the New York

692
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:14,059
Vermont border now one potato two potato

693
00:33:21,159 --> 00:33:16,570
three potato four five potato six potato

694
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:21,169
Bigfoot no more but there seems to be an

695
00:33:26,529 --> 00:33:24,200
awful lot of Bigfoot sightings here I

696
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:26,539
don't know how many little creatures are

697
00:33:34,419 --> 00:33:29,929
on the you know on a map but it looks

698
00:33:36,629 --> 00:33:34,429
like a couple of dozen or all these

699
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:36,639
witnesses pretty credible would you say

700
00:33:44,049 --> 00:33:40,490
well that map was part of the initial

701
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:44,059
article if you want reputable witnesses

702
00:33:48,460 --> 00:33:46,940
I could say Dan Gordon was a Whitehall

703
00:33:55,060 --> 00:33:48,470
police officer

704
00:33:58,119 --> 00:33:55,070
in the area road sighting in 1976 and so

705
00:33:59,560 --> 00:33:58,129
forth and I've had dec representatives

706
00:34:01,960 --> 00:33:59,570
and people who've worked with him come

707
00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:01,970
to the house here and talk about their

708
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:04,149
sightings but they won't talk about it

709
00:34:10,510 --> 00:34:07,850
you know professionally because it's to

710
00:34:12,700 --> 00:34:10,520
them that's professional suicide Dan it

711
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:12,710
took 22 years before 20 and he was

712
00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:14,480
retired from being a cop before he came

713
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:16,550
forward with his sighting so this is

714
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,760
largely a negative these reputable

715
00:34:22,809 --> 00:34:20,960
people coming forward with their

716
00:34:25,059 --> 00:34:22,819
sightings so we that's one of the things

717
00:34:27,490 --> 00:34:25,069
we really stress here is we take these

718
00:34:29,770 --> 00:34:27,500
sightings and strictest of confidence we

719
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:29,780
won't use your name or title or anything

720
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:31,250
like that unless you give us permission

721
00:34:36,309 --> 00:34:34,639
to but I can tell you there are scores

722
00:34:39,010 --> 00:34:36,319
of reputable people who've had these

723
00:34:41,470 --> 00:34:39,020
sightings and they are life changers

724
00:34:42,909 --> 00:34:41,480
they changed their whole perspective on

725
00:34:44,589 --> 00:34:42,919
things

726
00:34:46,809 --> 00:34:44,599
people are just dumbfounded because

727
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:46,819
they'll say things like I can't believe

728
00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:50,089
that I just saw that and I can't believe

729
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:50,540
that they

730
00:34:55,630 --> 00:34:53,440
exist here they don't fit into their

731
00:34:59,140 --> 00:34:55,640
what they would call their you know

732
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:59,150
their their idea of these creatures is

733
00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:01,280
not here now one of the best sightings

734
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:05,990
we had was done by two Chinese people

735
00:35:10,300 --> 00:35:07,970
who were here Taiwan I'm sorry Taiwan

736
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:10,310
nationals and they were up here fishing

737
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:12,230
in the Dresden

738
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:13,850
Clemens area which is just outside of

739
00:35:22,030 --> 00:35:18,110
Whitehall and they saw a large monkey

740
00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:22,040
which they described a an ape wading

741
00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:24,860
through the water at chest level and

742
00:35:30,340 --> 00:35:27,980
this is while they were fishing and the

743
00:35:33,460 --> 00:35:30,350
reason they even mention that to us is

744
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:33,470
because they said well I didn't know you

745
00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:37,010
had monkeys up here and we said we what

746
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:39,950
we don't and you see in their culture it

747
00:35:43,720 --> 00:35:41,570
wouldn't be that unusual they were

748
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:43,730
surprised to see one but it wasn't that

749
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:46,850
unusual to see a primate and yet that

750
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:49,130
was a great example because they had no

751
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:51,740
idea that there were creatures up here

752
00:35:55,660 --> 00:35:53,810
and yet they saw something that they

753
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:55,670
described as being a monkey like

754
00:36:00,930 --> 00:35:56,210
creature

755
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:00,940
well I see one of your residents MACT

756
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:05,090
Reverend of a Greenville he's very upset

757
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:08,720
because he suspects this Sasquatch are

758
00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:11,090
to blame for his SAP buckets being

759
00:36:19,750 --> 00:36:15,710
scattered about apparently there there

760
00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:19,760
there is it is there a running feud

761
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:23,060
should we say between a big big foot of

762
00:36:29,230 --> 00:36:25,970
the the local residence or perhaps

763
00:36:35,020 --> 00:36:29,240
should we take some of these stories

764
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:35,030
with a tongue and hairy cheek yes that

765
00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:37,610
article was was actually beautifully

766
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:41,150
done by Matt he had called me up and

767
00:36:44,110 --> 00:36:42,560
asked me about it

768
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:44,120
and he told me what they were going to

769
00:36:47,980 --> 00:36:45,770
do and I had mentioned to him about the

770
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:47,990
Dec because that was what they were

771
00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:50,210
going to talk about was issuing hunting

772
00:36:56,650 --> 00:36:52,520
licenses well it you gotta remember it

773
00:36:59,530 --> 00:36:56,660
was done around early April so yes what

774
00:37:01,630 --> 00:36:59,540
the story was and a lot of that was

775
00:37:04,330 --> 00:37:01,640
mixed in the funny part of the article

776
00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:04,340
is when you read it about 70

777
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:07,160
percent of it is real and then he has

778
00:37:11,590 --> 00:37:09,470
been just this other stuff about the

779
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:11,600
permits and the SAP buckets and things

780
00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:15,650
in the manner yes it was a April Fool's

781
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:18,830
joke a day ahead of time that that's

782
00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:20,510
what kind of you know I didn't look at

783
00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:24,380
the date on the newspaper of course I

784
00:37:30,370 --> 00:37:28,190
think it was hidden somewhere in a on

785
00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:30,380
the editorial page or something that

786
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:32,780
haha you know like we're we're yanking

787
00:37:39,340 --> 00:37:35,810
your your big foot tailor or something

788
00:37:41,290 --> 00:37:39,350
to that you know like chill out already

789
00:37:45,010 --> 00:37:41,300
chill out already we're not really going

790
00:37:47,650 --> 00:37:45,020
to be shooting at a targeting a Bigfoot

791
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:47,660
but do you think some people up there

792
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:52,610
would I do you think they would hunt

793
00:37:57,550 --> 00:37:55,700
them yeah yeah I think it's always in

794
00:37:59,710 --> 00:37:57,560
danger that I think it's seen a gun in

795
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:59,720
action I know of cases in which

796
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,480
creatures have been shot at and I know

797
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:04,400
of cases where they would fire into the

798
00:38:10,810 --> 00:38:07,310
air to try to scare the creature away so

799
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:10,820
yeah this creature has definitely seen

800
00:38:15,550 --> 00:38:12,980
or these creatures have definitely seen

801
00:38:17,980 --> 00:38:15,560
guns in action and they seem to take a

802
00:38:22,330 --> 00:38:17,990
lot of care and precaution from that I

803
00:38:24,190 --> 00:38:22,340
have any of them ever been hit not that

804
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:24,200
I'm aware of in fact when the a bear

805
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:27,680
rodents that happened in 1976 well what

806
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,370
really is amazing is that that was not

807
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:33,440
just a creature outbreak it was a

808
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:36,050
paranormal outbreak there were UFO

809
00:38:40,750 --> 00:38:37,370
sightings there were the creature

810
00:38:44,050 --> 00:38:40,760
reports there were big bird sightings it

811
00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:44,060
was a whole paranormal gambit and there

812
00:38:47,860 --> 00:38:45,950
wasn't you you guys you guys you guys

813
00:38:50,050 --> 00:38:47,870
have like your own version of eerie

814
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:50,060
Indiana or something going on up there

815
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:52,910
yeah it does feel like that sometimes

816
00:38:57,700 --> 00:38:55,430
you know people that were ahead of the

817
00:38:59,950 --> 00:38:57,710
curve I think you're you're John keels

818
00:39:02,920 --> 00:38:59,960
and you're Brad Stigers they were ahead

819
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:02,930
of the curve writing about this long ago

820
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:04,910
yeah I'm just catching up to him now

821
00:39:11,170 --> 00:39:08,210
because they were they were way ahead of

822
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:11,180
it and you know at that the end of that

823
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:14,090
sighting a neighbor rode that flap that

824
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:17,200
out paranormal outbreak there was a

825
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:18,650
gentleman from

826
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:20,030
in both New York who came into the

827
00:39:24,190 --> 00:39:21,530
Whitehall police station said I just

828
00:39:26,110 --> 00:39:24,200
shot a creature out on a bear Road which

829
00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:26,120
was actually on Carver Falls Road which

830
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:28,460
is an offshoot of a bear and they went

831
00:39:33,700 --> 00:39:31,490
out there and New York State Police

832
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:33,710
investigated and they said they found a

833
00:39:39,490 --> 00:39:36,530
shotgun shell he said that he fired a

834
00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:39,500
shotgun and a 22 rifle at a creature

835
00:39:44,890 --> 00:39:42,710
that came at him on that road and they

836
00:39:48,340 --> 00:39:44,900
actually issued this into the police

837
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:48,350
locks well you know when you say came at

838
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:50,510
him well now if one of these things

839
00:39:55,380 --> 00:39:52,600
wanted to tear you from limb to limb

840
00:39:58,720 --> 00:39:55,390
couldn't they fairly easily do that I

841
00:40:00,580 --> 00:39:58,730
would I would think they would and what

842
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:00,590
Linda was talking about earlier about

843
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:03,320
that that display where they thought

844
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:04,610
that they could have caught them I've

845
00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:06,530
gotten that report several times where

846
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:08,030
people would say they're running out of

847
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:09,770
the woods they said it could have caught

848
00:40:18,610 --> 00:40:12,770
me at any time and it seems to be some

849
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:18,620
sort of a bluffing display well what I

850
00:40:28,180 --> 00:40:22,160
mean okay okay so all right is the woods

851
00:40:30,670 --> 00:40:28,190
thick enough deep enough to to hide I

852
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:30,680
mean we don't seem to be obviously we

853
00:40:38,410 --> 00:40:33,850
can't be talking about one individual

854
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:38,420
beast we must be talking about several

855
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:42,050
maybe families of them well it's either

856
00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:44,930
a community or it's a paranormal aspect

857
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:47,270
which exactly

858
00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:51,650
now it's paranormal paranormal yeah yeah

859
00:40:57,100 --> 00:40:53,630
well that's what it that's what it would

860
00:40:59,980 --> 00:40:57,110
would I mean to my way of thinking I I

861
00:41:03,820 --> 00:40:59,990
come from this the Paulino school of

862
00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:03,830
thought on this you know and III yeah I

863
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:07,640
have to say that you know back when I I

864
00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:09,770
was on the Jim Harold Show there and the

865
00:41:14,350 --> 00:41:12,470
other day I guess a podcast that'll be

866
00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:14,360
coming out and I was talking about how I

867
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:17,540
you know my main interest is UFOs of

868
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:20,570
course but I I tangled in in a sense

869
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:23,690
with them some of these creatures going

870
00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:27,650
back many years ago I used to go visit

871
00:41:32,229 --> 00:41:30,500
the late Ivan T Sanderson who was a

872
00:41:34,899 --> 00:41:32,239
zoology as

873
00:41:37,539 --> 00:41:34,909
while gist and a cryptozoologist who was

874
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:37,549
a frequent guest on the long John

875
00:41:42,909 --> 00:41:40,249
Neville all night talk show and had

876
00:41:44,799 --> 00:41:42,919
written as far as I know one of the

877
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:44,809
certainly the first paperback book

878
00:41:49,859 --> 00:41:47,569
called the Amana Mille snowman and he

879
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:49,869
had all these plaster of Paris cast of

880
00:41:55,899 --> 00:41:53,569
you know three-toed a big foot and six

881
00:41:58,359 --> 00:41:55,909
told Bigfoot and the regular toad

882
00:42:01,179 --> 00:41:58,369
Bigfoot and no toad a Bigfoot you know

883
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:01,189
so he would have a couple of people up

884
00:42:06,189 --> 00:42:03,049
there I mean from time to time who sit

885
00:42:09,489 --> 00:42:06,199
around and and talked about their you

886
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:09,499
know Bigfoot experiences and he was also

887
00:42:16,629 --> 00:42:13,729
involved in the Iceman you know the

888
00:42:19,359 --> 00:42:16,639
Iceman that the came down well they had

889
00:42:21,789 --> 00:42:19,369
it on tour a timid did you tell me once

890
00:42:25,269 --> 00:42:21,799
that you saw the Iceman yes the

891
00:42:27,909 --> 00:42:25,279
Minnesota Iceman yeah it was tell us a

892
00:42:30,609 --> 00:42:27,919
little about that oh well yeah it was on

893
00:42:34,419 --> 00:42:30,619
a on a tour and this would have been

894
00:42:38,709 --> 00:42:34,429
sometime in the probably middle 70s and

895
00:42:41,619 --> 00:42:38,719
it it had actually came to a mall in

896
00:42:46,479 --> 00:42:41,629
Indianapolis Indiana and was on display

897
00:42:49,029 --> 00:42:46,489
there and this big huge ice chest is the

898
00:42:53,289 --> 00:42:49,039
best way to describe it is huge you know

899
00:42:56,769 --> 00:42:53,299
like a vertical you know not vertical

900
00:43:01,149 --> 00:42:56,779
but a horizontal refrigerator and it was

901
00:43:05,619 --> 00:43:01,159
this big I mean it was probably over 6

902
00:43:09,459 --> 00:43:05,629
foot tall hairy thing encased in ice and

903
00:43:12,009 --> 00:43:09,469
I mean the the history about it is is

904
00:43:14,399 --> 00:43:12,019
you know muted I mean you know there's

905
00:43:17,319 --> 00:43:14,409
been a number of different stories but

906
00:43:19,899 --> 00:43:17,329
from what I could see and I and I had

907
00:43:24,819 --> 00:43:19,909
remembered reading about it in the old

908
00:43:27,129 --> 00:43:24,829
Argosy magazine from cashton did I even

909
00:43:28,989 --> 00:43:27,139
write it or I can't remember who who

910
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:28,999
wrote it originally I don't who did the

911
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:31,729
original investigation but you could see

912
00:43:35,319 --> 00:43:33,529
you know through the ice and it looked

913
00:43:36,399 --> 00:43:35,329
like that this thing had been shot in

914
00:43:39,549 --> 00:43:36,409
the face

915
00:43:41,859 --> 00:43:39,559
it had it had one paw up like you know

916
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:41,869
like it was trying to protect itself but

917
00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:44,089
you could clearly see you know like an

918
00:43:48,070 --> 00:43:45,980
entry wound and then

919
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:48,080
what appeared to be even though it was

920
00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:50,150
lying on its back you know you could see

921
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:53,510
what a pair what apparently was an exit

922
00:43:58,420 --> 00:43:56,480
wound which is a lot larger and and then

923
00:44:01,390 --> 00:43:58,430
you know its its other features I mean

924
00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:01,400
you know it had giant you know big hands

925
00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:06,680
and huge feet and you could actually see

926
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:10,869
the individual hairs on it now later

927
00:44:18,670 --> 00:44:13,609
people said that there was actually

928
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:18,680
another version that was made you know

929
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:20,720
like a man made you know a version that

930
00:44:30,730 --> 00:44:25,910
that went on the circuit as well but the

931
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,740
one that I saw had a smell to it and I

932
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,240
suppose that's something that you could

933
00:44:38,380 --> 00:44:35,119
fake you know with a like a rubber

934
00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:38,390
version but but this thing had this

935
00:44:48,130 --> 00:44:44,680
smell like an old like a refrigerator

936
00:44:52,930 --> 00:44:48,140
like a freezer in an old butcher shop

937
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:52,940
you know just that that years of rotting

938
00:44:58,330 --> 00:44:55,130
meat I suppose that just you know I mean

939
00:45:02,410 --> 00:44:58,340
it's just you could not mistake that

940
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:02,420
smell so I mean I took it I even took it

941
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:04,970
very seriously I mean he had it down to

942
00:45:11,170 --> 00:45:07,850
a you know science with the measurements

943
00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:11,180
and the and the whole bit I mean I

944
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:13,640
wouldn't say he based his a career on it

945
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:16,070
because he had some pretty you know

946
00:45:22,300 --> 00:45:18,650
outlandish claims that he that he made

947
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:22,310
but yeah it was it was either Ivan that

948
00:45:27,070 --> 00:45:23,930
wrote the article in Argosy or somebody

949
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:27,080
wrote it about him and the and the ice

950
00:45:33,130 --> 00:45:30,710
creature what happened to it

951
00:45:34,510 --> 00:45:33,140
you know I'm not sure I there there was

952
00:45:38,050 --> 00:45:34,520
pictures that were released just a

953
00:45:44,590 --> 00:45:38,060
couple of years ago of the latex version

954
00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:44,600
that was melted out of the you know it's

955
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,180
ice chest and I mean and but you did it

956
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:49,760
it was different looking than the one

957
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:53,210
that I saw it's a

958
00:46:02,930 --> 00:45:58,890
it was similar but it wasn't exactly the

959
00:46:06,950 --> 00:46:02,940
same and and and again just the the the

960
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:06,960
smell that convinced me that you know

961
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,000
this was not you know the this was not a

962
00:46:15,859 --> 00:46:13,680
shell this wasn't a fake you know this

963
00:46:17,210 --> 00:46:15,869
was real so I can see how I even

964
00:46:20,809 --> 00:46:17,220
Sanderson was impressed by it like

965
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:20,819
because I sort of fakes appalled would

966
00:46:28,370 --> 00:46:23,369
you say that there are some hope a hoax

967
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:28,380
hoaxers and and some attempts to prank

968
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:32,790
people absolutely and a lot of times the

969
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:35,010
hoaxers objective is to get publicity

970
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,250
and you know eventually go haha so when

971
00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:40,800
you're dealing with a policeman who

972
00:46:46,250 --> 00:46:44,520
swears you know to secrecy there really

973
00:46:49,579 --> 00:46:46,260
isn't any objective for somebody like

974
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:49,589
that to to make this up so yeah there's

975
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:52,740
definitely hoaxing that went on and so

976
00:46:57,170 --> 00:46:55,020
forth so you have to always be on guard

977
00:46:59,300 --> 00:46:57,180
against that and sometimes it's not

978
00:47:02,800 --> 00:46:59,310
hoaxing but you get people who are very

979
00:47:08,059 --> 00:47:02,810
enthusiastic and you know I have a

980
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,069
higher criteria for an actual sighting

981
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:10,800
in other words if you tell me you think

982
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,089
you may have seen a big flood then my

983
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:18,240
idea is you probably didn't when you see

984
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:20,970
it it's a life altering it's a life

985
00:47:27,609 --> 00:47:25,619
changing event that jars you to you know

986
00:47:30,620 --> 00:47:27,619
you know makes your knees wobble and

987
00:47:33,319 --> 00:47:30,630
people will say if they were standing on

988
00:47:35,089 --> 00:47:33,329
a stack of cameras they wouldn't even

989
00:47:37,819 --> 00:47:35,099
think their mind just shuts right off

990
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:37,829
I've heard that a million times and I

991
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:40,170
just that my brain was scrambled I was

992
00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:42,300
so shocked by it and when you have

993
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,300
someone who has a reputation to protect

994
00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:47,520
and they come forward with that and they

995
00:47:51,890 --> 00:47:49,500
don't want their identity revealed and

996
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:51,900
that's a pretty good indicator of a

997
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:55,980
legitimate sighting well here we go with

998
00:48:01,099 --> 00:47:58,650
a break coming up and we'll be back in

999
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,109
just a few minutes with our fascinating

1000
00:48:06,829 --> 00:48:03,680
guests they're talking more about

1001
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:06,839
Bigfoot and dark man and weighing the

1002
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:07,290
weird

1003
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:08,280
the creatures

1004
00:48:22,590 --> 00:48:18,780
explode

1005
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:22,600
the bazaars or e-ticket ride into the

1006
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:24,540
world of the paranormal

1007
00:48:30,620 --> 00:48:27,610
your selfie and as we traverse the

1008
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:30,630
universe exploring the unexplained UFO

1009
00:48:37,410 --> 00:48:35,040
of ghosts Lost Worlds

1010
00:48:41,250 --> 00:48:37,420
cryptozoology waters as well as other

1011
00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:41,260
dimensions it's time to take back the

1012
00:48:49,350 --> 00:48:46,300
night night now your electrifying hosts

1013
00:48:53,630 --> 00:48:49,360
of exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley

1014
00:48:58,729 --> 00:48:56,299
back to the second hour of exploring the

1015
00:49:01,489 --> 00:48:58,739
bazaar I'm Jim Swartz and with us

1016
00:49:03,979 --> 00:49:01,499
tonight is Linda Godfrey and Paul

1017
00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:03,989
Bartholomew and of course Timothy green

1018
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:08,940
Beckley who is just always always happy

1019
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:12,480
to be with a champion champion all beast

1020
00:49:19,729 --> 00:49:15,720
large and small bear he all creatures

1021
00:49:20,779 --> 00:49:19,739
great and small all crypto creatures

1022
00:49:23,299 --> 00:49:20,789
yeah that's correct

1023
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:23,309
oh it's speaking of cryptids let let us

1024
00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:27,900
not forget to I tell the listeners about

1025
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:31,470
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1026
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1027
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1028
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1029
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1030
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1031
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1033
00:50:00,620 --> 00:49:57,599
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1034
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:00,630
right at you at more than 20 miles an

1035
00:50:07,549 --> 00:50:04,890
hour is in weird winged Wanderers okay

1036
00:50:11,269 --> 00:50:07,559
yeah I think I think we we covered

1037
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:11,279
practically every aspect of strange

1038
00:50:17,569 --> 00:50:15,569
creatures in the sky III and yeah and

1039
00:50:20,839 --> 00:50:17,579
some of them climbing up buildings that

1040
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:20,849
we were talking about dog man climbing

1041
00:50:25,999 --> 00:50:23,400
around that there was a case that bred

1042
00:50:28,970 --> 00:50:26,009
Steiger wrote up I think it was an Iowa

1043
00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:28,980
no I I can't remember the year I I

1044
00:50:36,289 --> 00:50:34,200
always fudge on this but let's say 1901

1045
00:50:38,809 --> 00:50:36,299
or something like this where the a court

1046
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:38,819
judge actually saw well first it was on

1047
00:50:44,660 --> 00:50:41,609
the telephone pole hovering yawn up

1048
00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:44,670
there and then later on it it made its

1049
00:50:50,299 --> 00:50:47,609
way to the top of a several of the

1050
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:50,309
tallest buildings in town but you know

1051
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:52,319
the tallest buildings in town at them

1052
00:51:00,979 --> 00:50:56,400
were three stories that was pretty Tomac

1053
00:51:04,819 --> 00:51:00,989
mamo that well III suppose that it was

1054
00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:04,829
but we're doing the wonders and you know

1055
00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:06,900
what all these things seemed to have in

1056
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:07,420
common

1057
00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:10,450
is a pretty much of a horrendous odor

1058
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:14,020
you know I remember I was an involved

1059
00:51:18,329 --> 00:51:16,569
investigating a case and this is in one

1060
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:18,339
of my books that actually could tap into

1061
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,089
it on the internet there somewhere I

1062
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:23,920
investigated one of the eye I think

1063
00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:27,010
probably wrote about the the skunk ape

1064
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:29,500
of the Everglades long before anybody

1065
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:32,290
else even knew that it existed and there

1066
00:51:40,380 --> 00:51:36,190
was a professor down there in Florida

1067
00:51:42,990 --> 00:51:40,390
Osborne and he was a collecting these

1068
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:43,000
reports and going out on expeditions and

1069
00:51:48,900 --> 00:51:45,430
and so forth and always reported a

1070
00:51:53,250 --> 00:51:48,910
horrendous smell now these are swamp

1071
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:53,260
Apes were albino most of them were just

1072
00:51:58,789 --> 00:51:56,049
you know totally white in in in in color

1073
00:52:01,700 --> 00:51:58,799
but I I do remember one time

1074
00:52:05,970 --> 00:52:01,710
interviewing this fellow who was a

1075
00:52:07,799 --> 00:52:05,980
security guard in a like a trucking firm

1076
00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:07,809
or something along the line you know I

1077
00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:09,190
mean he went up and down the aisles

1078
00:52:13,220 --> 00:52:10,470
where the trucks were to make sure

1079
00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:13,230
nobody was going in and stealing those

1080
00:52:19,049 --> 00:52:15,190
well I don't even know if they were

1081
00:52:20,819 --> 00:52:19,059
color TV sets in those days if they if

1082
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:20,829
they were they were they weighed a

1083
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:22,450
hundred pounds apiece I don't think he

1084
00:52:27,329 --> 00:52:24,910
could get card him off you know or to

1085
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:27,339
food or to easily anyway he had a

1086
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:29,530
confrontation with one of these escapes

1087
00:52:37,260 --> 00:52:33,240
there and he cornered it in one of the

1088
00:52:40,190 --> 00:52:37,270
18 there wheelers and slammed the door

1089
00:52:44,460 --> 00:52:40,200
and unlocked it tight and he could hear

1090
00:52:47,789 --> 00:52:44,470
the the skunk ape just pounding around

1091
00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:47,799
you know beating on the side of the of

1092
00:52:53,250 --> 00:52:50,950
the vehicle and so forth and so he

1093
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:53,260
called I don't know the police or other

1094
00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:55,630
security guards or the owners of the the

1095
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:57,609
lot where all these trucks were parked

1096
00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:01,359
and by time he got there III my time

1097
00:53:06,660 --> 00:53:04,270
they got there I guess the the pounding

1098
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,670
had to had ceased and perhaps they

1099
00:53:12,299 --> 00:53:09,280
thought he was a little you know a wacko

1100
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:12,309
or had been drinking on the on the job

1101
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:15,460
anyway he persisted in saying that no no

1102
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:17,530
this was true and that he had captured

1103
00:53:23,730 --> 00:53:21,370
and he was sure that you know this

1104
00:53:29,370 --> 00:53:23,740
concave was inside and lo and behold

1105
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:29,380
they opened the back door to the to this

1106
00:53:35,730 --> 00:53:32,650
a huge truck and there was a horrendous

1107
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:35,740
odor that almost knocked him knocked two

1108
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:38,110
people down to the ground but no sign of

1109
00:53:42,590 --> 00:53:41,680
the skunk ape where did he go Tim where

1110
00:53:45,390 --> 00:53:42,600
did he go

1111
00:53:47,310 --> 00:53:45,400
I don't know maybe he just turned into a

1112
00:53:50,190 --> 00:53:47,320
bad smell and that was it

1113
00:53:52,050 --> 00:53:50,200
well that's that's coming up in our in

1114
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:52,060
our next book that should be out just in

1115
00:53:59,790 --> 00:53:57,130
a in a few days the UFO hostilities and

1116
00:54:04,460 --> 00:53:59,800
the evil alien agenda you wrote about

1117
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:04,470
the stinky saucers and the bad smells

1118
00:54:10,590 --> 00:54:07,090
yeah yeah they were one of my chapters I

1119
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:10,600
actually was able to contribute to

1120
00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:13,330
several but several this is gonna be I

1121
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:14,980
don't know what the page count in the

1122
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:17,530
book is yet but this is going to you

1123
00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:18,880
know what's wrong with our books they're

1124
00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:21,580
too darn fat and it takes people too

1125
00:54:27,660 --> 00:54:25,840
long to read them if you can devour

1126
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,670
three other books in the meantime while

1127
00:54:32,030 --> 00:54:29,200
you're still turning the pages through

1128
00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:32,040
our books but anyway so much information

1129
00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:35,800
enough of my idle the chatter on with

1130
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:40,390
the interview with Tim take it away well

1131
00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:44,850
Linda we had talked about this you know

1132
00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:49,750
during the break and with my own

1133
00:54:56,430 --> 00:54:52,510
research I mean and and you know you had

1134
00:55:00,210 --> 00:54:56,440
mentioned this before when people who

1135
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:00,220
have what you know had encounters you

1136
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:06,010
know with with the dog men there really

1137
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:11,290
has not been any like a serious injuries

1138
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:15,250
or are really any major attacks that we

1139
00:55:20,610 --> 00:55:17,610
know of I suppose that you know somebody

1140
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,620
encountered one in the in the woods and

1141
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:23,200
then got completely healed devoured we'd

1142
00:55:29,460 --> 00:55:25,210
never know about it just be another it

1143
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:29,470
just be another missing case but there

1144
00:55:39,509 --> 00:55:34,890
was a very famous case back in France

1145
00:55:42,029 --> 00:55:39,519
like 200 back in the 1700s the the beast

1146
00:55:46,019 --> 00:55:42,039
of you're gonna have to say the last

1147
00:55:47,460 --> 00:55:46,029
name again Java dong or I think that's

1148
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:47,470
pretty close my French isn't all that

1149
00:55:51,029 --> 00:55:49,690
great either so I but I think you're

1150
00:55:56,430 --> 00:55:51,039
very close people will know what you

1151
00:56:00,960 --> 00:55:56,440
mean but I mean that was a a B and this

1152
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:00,970
is a historical case I mean you know

1153
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:02,470
this this isn't you know like a

1154
00:56:09,630 --> 00:56:05,170
mythology or you know or legends you

1155
00:56:13,259 --> 00:56:09,640
know the time but you know this was a

1156
00:56:15,240 --> 00:56:13,269
wolf-like creature that really just went

1157
00:56:18,059 --> 00:56:15,250
through the population eating especially

1158
00:56:20,430 --> 00:56:18,069
little girls like popcorn yeah it ain't

1159
00:56:24,059 --> 00:56:20,440
like I know a hundred people something

1160
00:56:26,069 --> 00:56:24,069
like that or they ate because some

1161
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:26,079
people insisted that there was more than

1162
00:56:32,849 --> 00:56:29,010
one animal they were very large in size

1163
00:56:38,970 --> 00:56:32,859
for especially for European wolves of

1164
00:56:40,289 --> 00:56:38,980
that time and they if they just had

1165
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:40,299
certain differences from the

1166
00:56:45,420 --> 00:56:42,970
contemporary reports that I get but the

1167
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:45,430
biggest the biggest difference of all or

1168
00:56:49,410 --> 00:56:46,809
they were also sometimes said to

1169
00:56:52,230 --> 00:56:49,420
resemble hyenas but I that description

1170
00:56:54,839 --> 00:56:52,240
too so the big difference is that they

1171
00:56:57,690 --> 00:56:54,849
killed and eight people in livestock

1172
00:57:00,509 --> 00:56:57,700
whatever they were and the contemporary

1173
00:57:02,970 --> 00:57:00,519
animals there are two fairly well-known

1174
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:02,980
incidents that I can think of that one

1175
00:57:07,349 --> 00:57:05,470
is really on improving it's sort of a

1176
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:07,359
conspiracy theory type thing is the

1177
00:57:12,779 --> 00:57:09,430
government hiding this but a family in

1178
00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:12,789
this southern I think it's a state

1179
00:57:17,309 --> 00:57:15,940
forest called Land Between the Lakes was

1180
00:57:21,690 --> 00:57:17,319
camping and was supposed to have been

1181
00:57:24,089 --> 00:57:21,700
massacred and but no evidence exists

1182
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:24,099
that the family was there or existed so

1183
00:57:27,329 --> 00:57:26,170
it comes down to you know people have

1184
00:57:29,279 --> 00:57:27,339
been going back and forth on that one

1185
00:57:32,900 --> 00:57:29,289
for years and then there's another one

1186
00:57:36,359 --> 00:57:32,910
written about by my friend Bart not only

1187
00:57:40,019 --> 00:57:36,369
who has a personal aspect on this one

1188
00:57:43,499 --> 00:57:40,029
where they were certainly vicious types

1189
00:57:46,170 --> 00:57:43,509
of creatures that were attacking and so

1190
00:57:48,300 --> 00:57:46,180
you have these several kind of famous

1191
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:48,310
ones and then you just get incidental

1192
00:57:54,690 --> 00:57:52,210
it's like the the car scratches the man

1193
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:54,700
up in Quebec province that I mentioned

1194
00:58:00,210 --> 00:57:57,970
earlier and then interestingly enough

1195
00:58:02,970 --> 00:58:00,220
there are a number more than you would

1196
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:02,980
think of incidents where these creatures

1197
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:06,130
will run alongside cars and people will

1198
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:09,250
say they were so large they their their

1199
00:58:14,850 --> 00:58:11,410
heads or their backs came up level with

1200
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:14,860
the driver's side window and that they

1201
00:58:19,220 --> 00:58:16,690
were the size of it'll often describe

1202
00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:19,230
them as the size of Shetland ponies or

1203
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:22,630
yearling calves which is huge and these

1204
00:58:26,310 --> 00:58:23,890
things will come

1205
00:58:28,530 --> 00:58:26,320
bashing against the car or the truck as

1206
00:58:32,430 --> 00:58:28,540
it's moving sometimes you know skidding

1207
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:32,440
it along the road or leaving bash marks

1208
00:58:39,150 --> 00:58:36,370
in in the the metal of the car and that

1209
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:39,160
that's a whole another thing you know

1210
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:41,770
and I don't know what would be the

1211
00:58:45,090 --> 00:58:43,270
creatures aim if it's just trying to

1212
00:58:47,010 --> 00:58:45,100
scare them or if it's hoping it actually

1213
00:58:48,690 --> 00:58:47,020
will be able to you know get the car off

1214
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:48,700
the road and tip it over and then open

1215
00:58:51,780 --> 00:58:50,170
it like a can of sardines and eat the

1216
00:58:54,270 --> 00:58:51,790
people I don't you know I don't know

1217
00:58:56,550 --> 00:58:54,280
what what the creature is thinking but

1218
00:59:00,420 --> 00:58:56,560
that does happen fairly frequently which

1219
00:59:01,710 --> 00:59:00,430
is kind of scary to me it's it's

1220
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:01,720
interesting though that you would say

1221
00:59:08,250 --> 00:59:05,650
that about the size because the the the

1222
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,260
creature in the the French incident or

1223
00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:11,280
creatures was also described as being

1224
00:59:16,500 --> 00:59:13,750
abnormally large as some people said it

1225
00:59:27,150 --> 00:59:16,510
was as large mm-hmm as like a pony you

1226
00:59:30,810 --> 00:59:27,160
know or cash yeah but and it's like you

1227
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:30,820
said I mean it seems to be almost for

1228
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:34,690
some reason you know some kind of bluff

1229
00:59:41,580 --> 00:59:38,770
I suppose but you know why go through

1230
00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:41,590
who you know why do that and of course

1231
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:42,460
you know we're just we're just

1232
00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:45,010
speculating here you know what do you

1233
00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:47,230
think if we're dealing with a wild

1234
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:49,240
animal because I mean I know that you

1235
00:59:53,010 --> 00:59:50,770
have looked into the idea that possibly

1236
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:53,020
these things could be some kind of you

1237
00:59:59,880 --> 00:59:56,530
know a mutation or you know

1238
01:00:02,040 --> 00:59:59,890
our canids that you know saw the

1239
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:02,050
advantage of standing on its hind legs

1240
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:04,330
and the weeds and it just gets kind of

1241
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:08,410
kind of caught on but a lot of the

1242
01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:11,130
actions of these things shows

1243
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:14,110
intelligence to me right and and not

1244
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:16,570
just instinct you know we seem to be

1245
01:00:23,420 --> 01:00:21,010
dealing with something that is it's

1246
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:23,430
thinking things through

1247
01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:26,170
yeah and people say that all the time

1248
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:28,750
the reports they'll say you know when it

1249
01:00:33,330 --> 01:00:30,790
was it looked me in the eyes and I felt

1250
01:00:35,340 --> 01:00:33,340
that it was much more intelligent than a

1251
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:35,350
normal animal you know that it was

1252
01:00:40,590 --> 01:00:37,750
thinking about me or curious about me as

1253
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:40,600
a person you know in a weird way that

1254
01:00:45,150 --> 01:00:42,700
you would never expect from a wild

1255
01:00:46,890 --> 01:00:45,160
animal you know and that's what freaks

1256
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:46,900
them out almost more than the thought of

1257
01:00:51,570 --> 01:00:49,210
being eaten is that these these things

1258
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:51,580
are assessing them well and that's weird

1259
01:00:55,140 --> 01:00:53,530
but on the other hand I all still try

1260
01:01:00,600 --> 01:00:55,150
and play the devil's that advocate keep

1261
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:00,610
my well these are very very intelligent

1262
01:01:04,830 --> 01:01:02,410
creatures and it's been shown in

1263
01:01:07,380 --> 01:01:04,840
wildlife studies that they do strategize

1264
01:01:09,870 --> 01:01:07,390
they will you know take up certain

1265
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:09,880
invent little ruses or ploys to get in

1266
01:01:14,340 --> 01:01:12,130
closer to their prey you know they'll

1267
01:01:17,100 --> 01:01:14,350
they'll act in concert almost as if they

1268
01:01:19,770 --> 01:01:17,110
figured out things ahead of time and so

1269
01:01:21,630 --> 01:01:19,780
you you can't ever underestimate the

1270
01:01:23,370 --> 01:01:21,640
intelligence and the abilities of our

1271
01:01:26,100 --> 01:01:23,380
natural animals especially the large

1272
01:01:28,350 --> 01:01:26,110
predators because they've had to get

1273
01:01:30,180 --> 01:01:28,360
smart in order to survive all these

1274
01:01:32,970 --> 01:01:30,190
years doing you know what they do and

1275
01:01:35,370 --> 01:01:32,980
part of that always they they don't want

1276
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:35,380
to get hurt or they'll die because they

1277
01:01:40,110 --> 01:01:37,330
can't hunt anymore so they strategize

1278
01:01:43,290 --> 01:01:40,120
about getting the most they can out of

1279
01:01:44,850 --> 01:01:43,300
each for a so that they're more likely

1280
01:01:47,220 --> 01:01:44,860
to get prey and not get hurt themselves

1281
01:01:50,220 --> 01:01:47,230
so there's always that to take into

1282
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:50,230
account people say what they experience

1283
01:01:54,930 --> 01:01:52,990
goes beyond that because again they have

1284
01:01:57,570 --> 01:01:54,940
that mental message that comes to them

1285
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:57,580
it's doing inexplicable things like

1286
01:02:02,430 --> 01:02:00,400
bumping the side of the of the carrot

1287
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:02,440
rock for no reason it's hanging around

1288
01:02:08,850 --> 01:02:06,370
houses peering in windows it's it's just

1289
01:02:10,910 --> 01:02:08,860
not what you expect from any sort of

1290
01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:10,920
normal animal

1291
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:15,220
now has their intelligence level seem to

1292
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:19,210
have increased since so you started

1293
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:23,920
collecting these reports well that's

1294
01:02:28,380 --> 01:02:25,690
really hard to gauge you know because I

1295
01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:28,390
don't really know how intelligent they

1296
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:30,520
were but I mean there was one you know

1297
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:33,730
dashing for the car and and scratching

1298
01:02:39,450 --> 01:02:36,610
the back at that time and pretty much

1299
01:02:43,740 --> 01:02:39,460
doing the same sorts of things you know

1300
01:02:46,290 --> 01:02:43,750
that they are now so that that's a hard

1301
01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:46,300
question to answer but they seem to have

1302
01:02:52,310 --> 01:02:49,060
been intelligent all along you know it's

1303
01:02:58,790 --> 01:02:52,320
it's not something that just suddenly

1304
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:01,310
different can you put them in different

1305
01:03:08,070 --> 01:03:05,110
classifications sort of yeah you know

1306
01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:08,080
and like I said these aren't really what

1307
01:03:11,220 --> 01:03:09,400
I would call different species but

1308
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:11,230
they're different types of phenomena

1309
01:03:16,050 --> 01:03:13,330
because we don't really know what any of

1310
01:03:19,230 --> 01:03:16,060
them are but for instance most people

1311
01:03:20,970 --> 01:03:19,240
probably 90% of the reports I get they

1312
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:20,980
see it as they're driving along the road

1313
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:22,690
or they're hiking in a path or something

1314
01:03:26,490 --> 01:03:24,880
and the creatures just kind of they're

1315
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:26,500
doing its own thing it takes note of

1316
01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:28,090
them in some cases it locks eyes with

1317
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:30,580
them and they get the message thing but

1318
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:35,440
they see it as looking like a wolf or

1319
01:03:39,450 --> 01:03:37,330
German Shepherd or hybrid mix of some

1320
01:03:42,030 --> 01:03:39,460
type that is standing on its hind legs

1321
01:03:44,430 --> 01:03:42,040
walking running on its hind legs which

1322
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:44,440
is not a supernatural act it's just an

1323
01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:47,530
unusual act or something in the wild

1324
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:49,990
unless it has injured four paws or

1325
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:52,210
injured front limps you know and it has

1326
01:03:56,670 --> 01:03:54,730
to do that in order to get around so you

1327
01:03:58,470 --> 01:03:56,680
have that that looks if it felt that

1328
01:04:00,570 --> 01:03:58,480
you'd probably just think that's kind of

1329
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:00,580
a really big kind of weird-looking wolf

1330
01:04:04,050 --> 01:04:01,930
or dog but you wouldn't think was

1331
01:04:06,510 --> 01:04:04,060
anything else on the other hand if

1332
01:04:08,550 --> 01:04:06,520
you're someone who encounters what I

1333
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:08,560
call the Phantom black hones kind of it

1334
01:04:16,170 --> 01:04:12,250
after the UK animals here in your belt

1335
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:16,180
your Fanta phantom what phantom black

1336
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:22,450
cones okay like all right sure sure of

1337
01:04:25,110 --> 01:04:23,650
course

1338
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:25,120
they're on all fours but often there's

1339
01:04:30,210 --> 01:04:27,310
they're standing up but one of these

1340
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:30,220
walks in your bedroom at night you know

1341
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:32,530
from the hallway and looks at you for a

1342
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:34,330
few minutes it doesn't do anything and

1343
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:36,610
then just goes through a wall or turns

1344
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:38,650
around or you turn around and look back

1345
01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:42,880
and it's gone and these sorts of reports

1346
01:04:46,860 --> 01:04:44,140
come in more often than you might think

1347
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:46,870
well I had one from a very highly

1348
01:04:53,490 --> 01:04:50,650
educated multi doctorate college

1349
01:04:55,050 --> 01:04:53,500
professor from the East Coast that had

1350
01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:55,060
this happen where two of them and

1351
01:05:00,540 --> 01:04:58,210
they'll often compare these types to the

1352
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:00,550
Egyptian god of the dead under us I hear

1353
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:02,650
that description over and over again and

1354
01:05:07,290 --> 01:05:04,000
she said these two things that looked

1355
01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:07,300
sort of like Anubis were in suddenly in

1356
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:09,310
her room she was wide awake sitting up

1357
01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:11,530
looking at them and they didn't seem in

1358
01:05:15,690 --> 01:05:13,840
the slightest interested in her it was

1359
01:05:18,330 --> 01:05:15,700
like they were tourists doing a tour of

1360
01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:18,340
her bedroom and pointing to things and

1361
01:05:23,130 --> 01:05:20,710
looking at things and then they very

1362
01:05:25,260 --> 01:05:23,140
casually just walked out and that was

1363
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:25,270
that and I'd say well that's a crazy

1364
01:05:29,370 --> 01:05:27,010
kind of one-off thing except it isn't

1365
01:05:31,700 --> 01:05:29,380
you hear that over and over again and

1366
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:31,710
it's sort of like the old hag ridden

1367
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:34,330
nightmare thing where something comes

1368
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,210
and sits on people's chests if they have

1369
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:39,520
like sleep paralysis except the people

1370
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:42,250
describe it as not like that at all the

1371
01:05:47,010 --> 01:05:44,050
thing doesn't make any contact with them

1372
01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:47,020
they're wide awake they can move they

1373
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:49,720
know it's there it's it's a very

1374
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:54,160
different sort of thing and I've written

1375
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:57,280
about some this is a common modern thing

1376
01:06:01,620 --> 01:05:58,720
it's not just something that happened in

1377
01:06:03,300 --> 01:06:01,630
old times but it's not the same thing as

1378
01:06:05,850 --> 01:06:03,310
these creatures appearing then there are

1379
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:05,860
some that look much more humanoid

1380
01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:07,690
they're bigger taller much better

1381
01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:10,150
developed the bodies will look humanoid

1382
01:06:16,230 --> 01:06:13,360
that are often seen near reserves of

1383
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:16,240
native land and that people who live

1384
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:18,240
around there will tell you our

1385
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:20,650
shapeshifters or another word especially

1386
01:06:26,070 --> 01:06:22,480
with the Navajo skinwalkers that are

1387
01:06:28,290 --> 01:06:26,080
supposed to be like medicine man or a

1388
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:28,300
shaman that take a different path and

1389
01:06:34,290 --> 01:06:31,510
end up being able to project their

1390
01:06:35,850 --> 01:06:34,300
astral bodies or some other energy

1391
01:06:37,550 --> 01:06:35,860
force-field we don't know what it is

1392
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:37,560
around themselves to a

1393
01:06:43,550 --> 01:06:41,400
as these wolf-like creatures and be able

1394
01:06:46,670 --> 01:06:43,560
to travel faster and do other things so

1395
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:46,680
that's another kind where you have a man

1396
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:49,140
that sort of turns into or has the

1397
01:06:54,380 --> 01:06:51,770
appearance of these creatures but then

1398
01:06:55,820 --> 01:06:54,390
my Native American friends will tell me

1399
01:06:57,230 --> 01:06:55,830
that there are also the ones that you

1400
01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:57,240
see along the roadside that look like

1401
01:07:02,210 --> 01:06:59,640
canines never were people they came from

1402
01:07:04,310 --> 01:07:02,220
the spirit world as themselves and come

1403
01:07:07,460 --> 01:07:04,320
here and visit but go back when they

1404
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:07,470
want to so and there there's more you

1405
01:07:10,730 --> 01:07:08,670
know I mean I could go on like that

1406
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:10,740
there are other types but it gives you

1407
01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:13,380
the idea that to me these are different

1408
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:15,720
sorts of phenomena not different types

1409
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:19,290
of species of one particular animal

1410
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:20,640
especially can't since you can't really

1411
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:22,710
even say that it is a natural animal or

1412
01:07:28,220 --> 01:07:25,530
a supernatural and what we we really at

1413
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:28,230
this point don't have to my mind anyway

1414
01:07:34,670 --> 01:07:32,160
of declaring that argument closed well

1415
01:07:38,270 --> 01:07:34,680
you know I I was surprised I had I've

1416
01:07:40,940 --> 01:07:38,280
had done Nick Redford on the on the

1417
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:40,950
program several times he's a friend of

1418
01:07:46,970 --> 01:07:44,130
ours and he told me what he told me once

1419
01:07:49,970 --> 01:07:46,980
he had an encounter with a werewolf type

1420
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:49,980
that creature that appeared in his home

1421
01:07:56,030 --> 01:07:53,490
late at night now the question for both

1422
01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:56,040
of our guests here this evening have you

1423
01:08:03,790 --> 01:07:58,380
ever had a sighting yourself or

1424
01:08:08,030 --> 01:08:03,800
encountered anything unusual like this

1425
01:08:16,579 --> 01:08:08,040
listen you first okay well just the dark

1426
01:08:18,910 --> 01:08:16,589
man or Bigfoot or do they all come and

1427
01:08:24,710 --> 01:08:18,920
sit on your front porch I don't know

1428
01:08:26,660 --> 01:08:24,720
well well almost in in one case as far

1429
01:08:29,059 --> 01:08:26,670
as the dog man goes I think they are

1430
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:29,069
more rare than Bigfoot and the sightings

1431
01:08:34,730 --> 01:08:32,400
are far more rare and and fewer and

1432
01:08:37,220 --> 01:08:34,740
maybe that's why I've had one incident

1433
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:37,230
where I was in Michigan with a History

1434
01:08:43,579 --> 01:08:40,530
Channel crew taping late at night on a

1435
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:43,589
gravel road very isolated and something

1436
01:08:49,789 --> 01:08:47,010
that had a vertical spine covered with

1437
01:08:50,599 --> 01:08:49,799
grey fur ran just outside the spotlight

1438
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:50,609
we had set up

1439
01:08:55,999 --> 01:08:53,130
this gravel road and then blocked out a

1440
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:56,009
seven-foot high reflective sign as it

1441
01:09:01,550 --> 01:08:57,810
finished crossing so we know something

1442
01:09:03,649 --> 01:09:01,560
that ran erect had gray fur and was

1443
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:03,659
about seven feet tall cross the road

1444
01:09:07,550 --> 01:09:05,520
about 20 feet from where we were

1445
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,560
standing and you know you can hear

1446
01:09:12,140 --> 01:09:10,319
running and one of the witnesses that

1447
01:09:14,329 --> 01:09:12,150
had taken us to this place was there too

1448
01:09:16,340 --> 01:09:14,339
and immediately grew so distraught we

1449
01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:16,350
had to leave at that moment and I didn't

1450
01:09:21,919 --> 01:09:19,230
mind leaving so that was my my one brush

1451
01:09:23,930 --> 01:09:21,929
with with what I think was pride it

1452
01:09:26,450 --> 01:09:23,940
could have been but we didn't see the

1453
01:09:29,300 --> 01:09:26,460
head so that I can't say definitely as

1454
01:09:31,419 --> 01:09:29,310
far as Bigfoot goes I went 20 years and

1455
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:31,429
really didn't have much of any sort of

1456
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:34,770
contact and then it kind of started

1457
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:37,650
happening about five years ago and we

1458
01:09:41,090 --> 01:09:39,000
prepped my husband and I until about a

1459
01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:41,100
year ago lived in a house that was right

1460
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:43,080
on the edge of the Kettle Moraine State

1461
01:09:47,419 --> 01:09:45,839
Forest which is a place where the

1462
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:47,429
glacier went and stopped and then

1463
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:50,239
created all these deep kind of potholes

1464
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:51,650
paddle-shaped

1465
01:09:57,470 --> 01:09:54,420
depressions surrounded by ridges and so

1466
01:10:00,109 --> 01:09:57,480
there's a lot of elevation that Bigfoot

1467
01:10:02,629 --> 01:10:00,119
are said by many researchers to to enjoy

1468
01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:02,639
and I've kind of narrowed it down I

1469
01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:04,679
think that they have a little pocket in

1470
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:06,480
there where they do have sort of a

1471
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:08,730
permanent Enclave from which they go out

1472
01:10:14,450 --> 01:10:10,770
and forage for many miles around out in

1473
01:10:17,060 --> 01:10:14,460
the countryside and my our house was

1474
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:17,070
right on the convergence of a bunch of

1475
01:10:22,250 --> 01:10:19,800
these kettles literally you could walk

1476
01:10:24,919 --> 01:10:22,260
out my office door go ten feet and drop

1477
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:24,929
straight down into a kettle and there

1478
01:10:30,620 --> 01:10:27,090
were they were around there and

1479
01:10:32,030 --> 01:10:30,630
sometimes I would go walking and there

1480
01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:32,040
were certain fields that were sort of

1481
01:10:36,890 --> 01:10:33,840
surrounded by a kennel stood the farmers

1482
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:36,900
would have a filled kettle filled kettle

1483
01:10:44,060 --> 01:10:40,080
etc and on what it would have been the

1484
01:10:47,149 --> 01:10:44,070
year 2014 on three occasions during that

1485
01:10:50,030 --> 01:10:47,159
year I saw what I can't explain any

1486
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:50,040
other way as a Bigfoot one time it was

1487
01:10:56,689 --> 01:10:53,449
standing head and shoulders above a

1488
01:10:59,300 --> 01:10:56,699
medal of tall grass looking at me and I

1489
01:11:00,740 --> 01:10:59,310
first took it to be a fence post now

1490
01:11:02,530 --> 01:11:00,750
some people will say that if they

1491
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:02,540
implanted that image or

1492
01:11:07,570 --> 01:11:05,930
in my mind but I was looking at it as I

1493
01:11:08,020 --> 01:11:07,580
walked by I was just out for a morning

1494
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:08,030
walk

1495
01:11:11,890 --> 01:11:09,770
I had nothing with me in the term in

1496
01:11:14,020 --> 01:11:11,900
terms of cameras or anything and I was

1497
01:11:15,820 --> 01:11:14,030
thinking to myself why did that farmer

1498
01:11:17,710 --> 01:11:15,830
leave that fence post right in the

1499
01:11:19,090 --> 01:11:17,720
center of that field we're gonna have to

1500
01:11:20,740 --> 01:11:19,100
move around it and then I looked at the

1501
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:20,750
other fence at the real fence post and I

1502
01:11:24,730 --> 01:11:22,370
said he doesn't look anything like those

1503
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:24,740
and I looked back at it and it had begun

1504
01:11:30,820 --> 01:11:27,530
to lower itself vertically down into the

1505
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,830
grass and I couldn't see a face because

1506
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:32,480
the Sun was behind it but there were no

1507
01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:34,730
ears it was the exact shape that you

1508
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:37,390
always think of as a Bigfoot it was a

1509
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:39,770
good I'm gonna have to interrupt you

1510
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:41,570
here because we have to go to our bottom

1511
01:11:45,370 --> 01:11:43,250
of the hour break so we'll come back

1512
01:11:51,710 --> 01:11:45,380
we'll ask Paul the same question on

1513
01:11:58,410 --> 01:11:55,860
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1514
01:12:01,740 --> 01:11:58,420
two of the most electrifying researchers

1515
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:01,750
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1516
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:08,530
Lee and Tim's lists alright welcome back

1517
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:11,590
to exploring the bizarre and timid ask

1518
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:15,280
Linda Godfrey if she had had any

1519
01:12:23,850 --> 01:12:18,970
encounter so I think before we run out

1520
01:12:25,890 --> 01:12:23,860
because unfortunately time is marching

1521
01:12:28,830 --> 01:12:25,900
on for the end of exploring the Bazaar

1522
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:28,840
for tonight's episode so let's ask Paul

1523
01:12:34,050 --> 01:12:31,140
what about what about you I mean if you

1524
01:12:37,950 --> 01:12:34,060
run across anything unusual or is

1525
01:12:38,730 --> 01:12:37,960
anything unusual run across you not

1526
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:38,740
really

1527
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:42,400
you know we break down these reports in

1528
01:12:47,070 --> 01:12:44,130
this region and track finds

1529
01:12:48,780 --> 01:12:47,080
vocalizations and eyewitness sightings

1530
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:48,790
and sometimes you have a combination of

1531
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:51,850
all them I've come across tracks I've

1532
01:12:57,780 --> 01:12:54,250
heard vague vocals but I've never had an

1533
01:13:01,980 --> 01:12:57,790
eyewitness sighting today is there what

1534
01:13:03,390 --> 01:13:01,990
one place that you would suggest maybe

1535
01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:03,400
you don't want to tell what the place is

1536
01:13:11,790 --> 01:13:06,520
but one place that people go to and they

1537
01:13:14,670 --> 01:13:11,800
seem to have more encounters with

1538
01:13:18,510 --> 01:13:14,680
Bigfoot or or the paranormal than

1539
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:18,520
anywhere else we do have regions that

1540
01:13:23,940 --> 01:13:21,450
you know flap areas and flap times

1541
01:13:26,010 --> 01:13:23,950
Whitehall seems to have a fairly

1542
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:26,020
consistent number of sightings every

1543
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:28,750
year if you go to Kinderhook New York

1544
01:13:32,970 --> 01:13:31,210
which is just south of Albany about ten

1545
01:13:35,580 --> 01:13:32,980
miles south of Albany where Bruce

1546
01:13:37,410 --> 01:13:35,590
Hallenbeck has researched the Kinderhook

1547
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:37,420
creature down there there were a lot of

1548
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:39,910
sightings of that if we have it I don't

1549
01:13:43,380 --> 01:13:41,560
know I don't know about that I'll have

1550
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:43,390
to we'll have to have him on and he

1551
01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:47,130
could tell us about the the tender hooks

1552
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:53,260
yes Kendrick New York and Bruce has his

1553
01:13:58,380 --> 01:13:55,210
grandmother had actually had a sighting

1554
01:14:01,050 --> 01:13:58,390
of a creature curled up on her front

1555
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:01,060
yard and she said it was curled up in

1556
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,640
the fetal position

1557
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,800
and she watched it and then all of a

1558
01:14:07,820 --> 01:14:06,000
sudden she thought it might have been a

1559
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:07,830
bear and you know it would get up on all

1560
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:10,320
fours it stood up on two legs and walked

1561
01:14:15,770 --> 01:14:13,130
away and she wrote about it to the

1562
01:14:18,590 --> 01:14:15,780
Barney Fowler who was the times-union

1563
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,600
the Albany newspaper down there wrote to

1564
01:14:24,170 --> 01:14:21,600
the columnist and he wrote and dubbed it

1565
01:14:26,420 --> 01:14:24,180
the Kendra hook creature and that was

1566
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:26,430
actually Bruce's grandmother and then

1567
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:29,010
Bruce has had several family members as

1568
01:14:33,140 --> 01:14:31,320
his cousin and so forth who've had

1569
01:14:35,380 --> 01:14:33,150
several incidents with these creatures

1570
01:14:38,660 --> 01:14:35,390
so Bruce has had a lot of first-hand

1571
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:38,670
experience through his family we've got

1572
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:40,530
to find out about them but yeah you know

1573
01:14:45,860 --> 01:14:42,810
why don't we have more photographs and

1574
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:45,870
videos I mean we've got some well I

1575
01:14:49,780 --> 01:14:47,850
don't know do we have any that are

1576
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:49,790
legitimate I mean would you consider the

1577
01:14:57,020 --> 01:14:54,480
the Peterson film legit I I think that

1578
01:15:02,180 --> 01:14:57,030
the Roger Patterson Bob going get

1579
01:15:04,610 --> 01:15:02,190
matters yeah Bob Gimlin seems to have no

1580
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:04,620
ax if anybody had an axe to grind he was

1581
01:15:10,130 --> 01:15:07,410
I believe he was you know Roger in him

1582
01:15:11,930 --> 01:15:10,140
it had a parting of the ways and I can

1583
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:11,940
remember Doug hijack who was the

1584
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:14,400
producer of monster quest there the

1585
01:15:18,710 --> 01:15:16,710
director he had said to me that they had

1586
01:15:20,450 --> 01:15:18,720
offered him a large amount of money one

1587
01:15:23,450 --> 01:15:20,460
time if he would go on air and tell him

1588
01:15:25,700 --> 01:15:23,460
how they faked it and Bob Gimlin told

1589
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:25,710
him that he'd love to take his money but

1590
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:28,800
it was real and so I mean he could have

1591
01:15:34,850 --> 01:15:32,730
made more money on this topic if he had

1592
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:34,860
come out and said how it was hoax so I

1593
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:36,750
I'm inclined to think the Patterson film

1594
01:15:41,630 --> 01:15:39,840
is legitimate and also that was an

1595
01:15:43,970 --> 01:15:41,640
occasion where it was in broad daylight

1596
01:15:47,660 --> 01:15:43,980
a lot of these sightings are at night

1597
01:15:49,580 --> 01:15:47,670
time and a lot of them are the most

1598
01:15:52,010 --> 01:15:49,590
common sighting is the road crossing

1599
01:15:54,740 --> 01:15:52,020
just like Dan Gordon had his sighting if

1600
01:15:56,270 --> 01:15:54,750
they had a camera in their lap they

1601
01:15:59,090 --> 01:15:56,280
wouldn't have been able to lift it up

1602
01:16:01,070 --> 01:15:59,100
and take a picture fast enough so most

1603
01:16:04,900 --> 01:16:01,080
of the the sightings are like that and

1604
01:16:08,210 --> 01:16:04,910
so you really have to have a lot of luck

1605
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,220
and okay well now let us get down to

1606
01:16:14,260 --> 01:16:11,760
brass tacks here are we talking about a

1607
01:16:16,190 --> 01:16:14,270
flesh-and-blood

1608
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:16,200
creature

1609
01:16:22,130 --> 01:16:18,570
you know who could poop in the woods and

1610
01:16:26,510 --> 01:16:22,140
get off this a tremendous odor or are we

1611
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:26,520
talking about something from some other

1612
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:28,290
dimension in there parallel universe

1613
01:16:35,410 --> 01:16:31,560
that comes and goes and even if we hit

1614
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:35,420
them between the II's gonna go down I

1615
01:16:41,660 --> 01:16:38,370
think you you hit on the you know the

1616
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:41,670
million dollar question there and as far

1617
01:16:46,610 --> 01:16:45,000
as I'm concerned these characteristics

1618
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:46,620
there are certain characteristics which

1619
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:49,290
are very unusual for instance red

1620
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:52,110
glowing eyes as often reported up here

1621
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:54,810
not every time but often enough that it

1622
01:17:00,650 --> 01:16:58,050
becomes a very eerie and these

1623
01:17:03,500 --> 01:17:00,660
characteristics where it was we had

1624
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:03,510
tracks in certain fields that ended in

1625
01:17:09,170 --> 01:17:07,170
the middle of the field so there may and

1626
01:17:12,380 --> 01:17:09,180
and with the a bear road sighting back

1627
01:17:15,170 --> 01:17:12,390
in 76 there was a massive UFO flap

1628
01:17:17,090 --> 01:17:15,180
through the entire New York region the

1629
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:17,100
upstate New York region and it went all

1630
01:17:23,140 --> 01:17:20,250
the way down to Rockland County and and

1631
01:17:26,990 --> 01:17:23,150
you know so very reputable sightings and

1632
01:17:29,180 --> 01:17:27,000
and it was right in this region so there

1633
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:29,190
seems to be now that an even stranger

1634
01:17:34,970 --> 01:17:32,880
point Whitehall is is a fairly rural

1635
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:34,980
type community but we have a village

1636
01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:38,370
which has a lot of houses and during

1637
01:17:43,580 --> 01:17:40,620
this flap of sightings that took place

1638
01:17:47,870 --> 01:17:43,590
on a bear Road in 76 there was a UFO

1639
01:17:50,710 --> 01:17:47,880
landing on the avenues it's a

1640
01:17:53,480 --> 01:17:50,720
preposterous place for something to land

1641
01:17:58,190 --> 01:17:53,490
houses in every direction and yeah I

1642
01:18:00,350 --> 01:17:58,200
talked with the police chief Gosselin

1643
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:00,360
and Sergeant Gosselin and police

1644
01:18:04,220 --> 01:18:02,490
dispatcher Bob Martell and they

1645
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:04,230
remembered it quite well a woman called

1646
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:06,450
up and said that something just landed

1647
01:18:09,380 --> 01:18:07,890
in her yard they got out there they

1648
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:09,390
actually drove it was only two streets

1649
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:11,120
over back then you used to have a

1650
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:14,970
dispatcher on duty and they went to the

1651
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:16,770
site and they said there was a large

1652
01:18:20,810 --> 01:18:19,050
round area where something had landed in

1653
01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:20,820
the grass and it was still emitting Heat

1654
01:18:25,700 --> 01:18:23,490
but it had you know whatever left that

1655
01:18:28,250 --> 01:18:25,710
mark had taken off and the woman was

1656
01:18:29,769 --> 01:18:28,260
absolutely credible and she wanted no

1657
01:18:31,689 --> 01:18:29,779
publicity and and no

1658
01:18:33,279 --> 01:18:31,699
attention about it but she just didn't

1659
01:18:35,609 --> 01:18:33,289
know what had just landed in her yard

1660
01:18:38,639 --> 01:18:35,619
and this was during this massive

1661
01:18:41,319 --> 01:18:38,649
creature outbreak on a bear Road and

1662
01:18:43,719 --> 01:18:41,329
winged creatures now you have mentioned

1663
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:43,729
your recent book that's coming up swing

1664
01:18:49,809 --> 01:18:46,729
creatures look forward to it I we had a

1665
01:18:53,219 --> 01:18:49,819
rapport well we'll say it's a it's out

1666
01:18:58,869 --> 01:18:53,229
so we we will send you a a copy by all

1667
01:18:59,529 --> 01:18:58,879
means but well it doesn't this cause

1668
01:19:01,779 --> 01:18:59,539
okay

1669
01:19:05,349 --> 01:19:01,789
so then we've gotten to the point here

1670
01:19:07,749 --> 01:19:05,359
where we have to say that they're you

1671
01:19:09,249 --> 01:19:07,759
you can could you ever have scientific

1672
01:19:13,179 --> 01:19:09,259
evidence for this you're never going to

1673
01:19:15,849 --> 01:19:13,189
capture a creature if it's not real in

1674
01:19:21,579 --> 01:19:15,859
the sense that you can put a you know a

1675
01:19:25,149 --> 01:19:21,589
gorilla or a lion of some type inside of

1676
01:19:30,549 --> 01:19:25,159
a cage for all to to see it's always

1677
01:19:34,049 --> 01:19:30,559
going to elude science and academia I I

1678
01:19:37,359 --> 01:19:34,059
equate this a lot to george Knapp's book

1679
01:19:38,859 --> 01:19:37,369
the hunt for the skinwalker oh yes you

1680
01:19:40,389 --> 01:19:38,869
can bring in the scientist and you can

1681
01:19:44,289 --> 01:19:40,399
study the phenomena but it's there's

1682
01:19:47,019 --> 01:19:44,299
still an elusive 'ti about it and there

1683
01:19:49,269 --> 01:19:47,029
are definitely physical characteristics

1684
01:19:51,399 --> 01:19:49,279
connected with the phenomena plasterer

1685
01:19:53,799 --> 01:19:51,409
cash from footprints there's definitely

1686
01:19:56,499 --> 01:19:53,809
a physical response here I know people

1687
01:19:58,539 --> 01:19:56,509
who've been hit with pebbles thrown at

1688
01:20:00,909 --> 01:19:58,549
them there's definitely something

1689
01:20:03,579 --> 01:20:00,919
physical at the same time the red eyes

1690
01:20:08,349 --> 01:20:03,589
doesn't seem to fit that that you know

1691
01:20:10,029 --> 01:20:08,359
that that example and the smell and

1692
01:20:11,739 --> 01:20:10,039
things like that there's all sorts of

1693
01:20:13,829 --> 01:20:11,749
strange characteristics as well there's

1694
01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:13,839
some reports in a flash of light

1695
01:20:18,119 --> 01:20:16,369
connected the UFO phenomena connected

1696
01:20:21,279 --> 01:20:18,129
the you know one of the winged creature

1697
01:20:25,059 --> 01:20:21,289
reports that we had up here they said it

1698
01:20:27,909 --> 01:20:25,069
looked like a liquid reality in other

1699
01:20:29,829 --> 01:20:27,919
words that it was sort of morphing as it

1700
01:20:31,859 --> 01:20:29,839
went and you could almost was almost

1701
01:20:33,699 --> 01:20:31,869
transparent so it's a very odd

1702
01:20:35,259 --> 01:20:33,709
characteristic going on as well so

1703
01:20:39,009 --> 01:20:35,269
there's there may be multiple

1704
01:20:40,749 --> 01:20:39,019
phenomenons at play and as a researcher

1705
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:40,759
I'm just taking down the information as

1706
01:20:46,150 --> 01:20:42,530
accurately yes

1707
01:20:47,770 --> 01:20:46,160
historically as possible well that's

1708
01:20:50,020 --> 01:20:47,780
what I that's what I always tell people

1709
01:20:52,780 --> 01:20:50,030
to I mean all you could do is accumulate

1710
01:20:55,090 --> 01:20:52,790
the the the sightings and the the

1711
01:20:57,190 --> 01:20:55,100
reports and then I tried to go this

1712
01:21:01,060 --> 01:20:57,200
through them and see where they lead but

1713
01:21:02,980 --> 01:21:01,070
you know again we're we you are UFOs

1714
01:21:05,290 --> 01:21:02,990
this a lot easier what do we need what

1715
01:21:07,570 --> 01:21:05,300
do we do you mean when we say UFO it's a

1716
01:21:09,070 --> 01:21:07,580
done under than a fight flying article

1717
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:09,080
sometimes it's not even flying it's

1718
01:21:14,500 --> 01:21:11,840
crawling you're creeping or are coming

1719
01:21:16,780 --> 01:21:14,510
into your you know bedroom at night or

1720
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:16,790
are taking you're whisking your car up

1721
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:19,130
and up into the air but we could be

1722
01:21:22,750 --> 01:21:20,960
dealing with a lot of different things

1723
01:21:25,420 --> 01:21:22,760
so it doesn't mean that your UFO is the

1724
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:25,430
same as my UFO and it doesn't mean that

1725
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:28,810
your cryptid creature is the same as

1726
01:21:38,700 --> 01:21:31,850
Linda's cryptid the creatures you know

1727
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:47,410
supernatural versus physical nobody

1728
01:22:02,950 --> 01:21:48,770
knows hello

1729
01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:02,960
I hope we didn't lose so what do you

1730
01:22:07,660 --> 01:22:05,410
would you stand on the on this

1731
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:07,670
paranormal versus physical

1732
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:12,890
P&P I think that our present science is

1733
01:22:22,150 --> 01:22:19,360
not able to perhaps measure or really

1734
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:22,160
catch into what what these things

1735
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:25,520
exactly are I think that there this is a

1736
01:22:30,460 --> 01:22:27,440
conclusion I've come to sort of based on

1737
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:30,470
a lot on what my Native American friends

1738
01:22:33,910 --> 01:22:31,970
have said who believe that it's both in

1739
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:33,920
the spirit world or other-dimensional

1740
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:37,280
and this world is that it doesn't have

1741
01:22:42,490 --> 01:22:39,290
to be all one or the other that there

1742
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:42,500
may be some beings that can follow sort

1743
01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:45,920
of a continuum of whatever source are

1744
01:22:51,460 --> 01:22:48,950
light or life-giving energy is so that

1745
01:22:54,729 --> 01:22:51,470
they can come from this other place

1746
01:22:57,379 --> 01:22:54,739
where maybe there's a slightly different

1747
01:23:00,319 --> 01:22:57,389
electromagnetic vibration that they have

1748
01:23:02,779 --> 01:23:00,329
in that world and then come to this

1749
01:23:05,659 --> 01:23:02,789
world and be solid enough and real

1750
01:23:07,729 --> 01:23:05,669
enough that we can think that they

1751
01:23:09,699 --> 01:23:07,739
belong here but they they really can go

1752
01:23:12,229 --> 01:23:09,709
back and forth and there's sort of a

1753
01:23:14,419 --> 01:23:12,239
continuum just as just as you know

1754
01:23:17,569 --> 01:23:14,429
there's a and we also have to remember

1755
01:23:19,759 --> 01:23:17,579
that our senses as human beings are

1756
01:23:22,219 --> 01:23:19,769
really really limited and we know this

1757
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:22,229
even just by mundane things we have

1758
01:23:26,899 --> 01:23:24,239
around us like dog whistles you know

1759
01:23:30,290 --> 01:23:26,909
dogs can hear a dog whistle most humans

1760
01:23:32,959 --> 01:23:30,300
can't smell you take something like a

1761
01:23:36,290 --> 01:23:32,969
grizzly bear and it smell as 24,000

1762
01:23:38,419 --> 01:23:36,300
times as acute as a human's I just heard

1763
01:23:41,379 --> 01:23:38,429
that on TV so I know I must I know that

1764
01:23:44,569 --> 01:23:41,389
must be true but it's a large number

1765
01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:44,579
greater so we know that there are smells

1766
01:23:48,409 --> 01:23:46,649
that we can't even imagine and yet

1767
01:23:50,449 --> 01:23:48,419
creatures that are right here on earth

1768
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,459
with us you can measure them accurately

1769
01:23:55,399 --> 01:23:52,320
and perhaps have a very different view

1770
01:23:57,199 --> 01:23:55,409
of the world than we can imagine imagine

1771
01:23:59,479 --> 01:23:57,209
if you could smell twenty four thousand

1772
01:24:02,449 --> 01:23:59,489
times more than you can now what your

1773
01:24:10,069 --> 01:24:02,459
world would be like so yeah that's great

1774
01:24:13,009 --> 01:24:10,079
that's gross that's gross especially on

1775
01:24:16,669 --> 01:24:13,019
the Block especially around here with

1776
01:24:20,839 --> 01:24:16,679
all this construction going on nothing

1777
01:24:25,069 --> 01:24:20,849
like the smell of wet cement exactly

1778
01:24:27,080 --> 01:24:25,079
yeah but but so it it's just we I think

1779
01:24:29,919 --> 01:24:27,090
it's very arrogant of us to feel that we

1780
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:29,929
should be able to decide everything is

1781
01:24:35,649 --> 01:24:32,010
you know right down to the core of its

1782
01:24:40,459 --> 01:24:35,659
essence based on our five limited senses

1783
01:24:42,589 --> 01:24:40,469
okay so where is ready is there any way

1784
01:24:46,909 --> 01:24:42,599
to proceed with this I mean is our

1785
01:24:50,419 --> 01:24:46,919
ultimate outcome to try to prove this to

1786
01:24:53,509 --> 01:24:50,429
to science I mean how would we ever be

1787
01:24:57,679 --> 01:24:53,519
able to do that or should we ignore the

1788
01:25:02,569 --> 01:24:57,689
idea altogether and just let it let it

1789
01:25:05,179 --> 01:25:02,579
flow well personally I think as long as

1790
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:05,189
people keep having these encounters that

1791
01:25:12,140 --> 01:25:08,249
are unexplainable and seeing creatures

1792
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,150
do not mesh with what we believe are you

1793
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,159
know normal flesh-and-blood creatures

1794
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:17,280
you know bear your bears your you know

1795
01:25:21,379 --> 01:25:20,249
normal dogs whatever that they're a

1796
01:25:24,439 --> 01:25:21,389
certain I think there's certain people

1797
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:24,449
that feel almost called to keep

1798
01:25:30,649 --> 01:25:27,690
examining the the subject and that's

1799
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:30,659
kind of how I am myself I mean I could

1800
01:25:34,910 --> 01:25:32,130
be doing a lot of other different things

1801
01:25:39,979 --> 01:25:34,920
yeah yeah that was a mistake here look

1802
01:25:41,779 --> 01:25:39,989
at me I said here after yeah since 1957

1803
01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:41,789
or something when I bought my first

1804
01:25:46,759 --> 01:25:44,550
issue of fate magazine and had my first

1805
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:46,769
UFO sighting well I've done a lot of

1806
01:25:52,910 --> 01:25:49,050
things in between then and now because

1807
01:25:56,620 --> 01:25:52,920
it's been a long long long road but I I

1808
01:26:00,069 --> 01:25:56,630
said here in my recliner and I talked to

1809
01:26:04,700 --> 01:26:00,079
two of the greatest authorities on the

1810
01:26:10,069 --> 01:26:04,710
cryptid world and again I could have

1811
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:10,079
taken up football oh yeah right you know

1812
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:12,090
I mean I couldn't I could have done well

1813
01:26:16,430 --> 01:26:14,729
I could have been interested in the

1814
01:26:19,279 --> 01:26:16,440
other hobby you know other things other

1815
01:26:20,839 --> 01:26:19,289
hobbies that most I would say normal

1816
01:26:25,129 --> 01:26:20,849
people are interested in but I'm not

1817
01:26:30,109 --> 01:26:25,139
even sure what that is today anymore you

1818
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:30,119
know right late him and same with Tim

1819
01:26:35,089 --> 01:26:33,570
there I mean he's you know I mean I've

1820
01:26:36,979 --> 01:26:35,099
been involved in this now for how many

1821
01:26:40,100 --> 01:26:36,989
years them oh my god

1822
01:26:42,859 --> 01:26:40,110
well let's see probably since third

1823
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:42,869
grade and I'm almost 60 so you know you

1824
01:26:49,669 --> 01:26:47,760
do the math you're 60 almost yeah well

1825
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:49,679
we'll have to have a big birthday party

1826
01:27:00,620 --> 01:26:56,880
yeah invite all the cryptids and well

1827
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:00,630
you know the the description of the

1828
01:27:06,319 --> 01:27:03,449
possible paranormal element of these

1829
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,329
things it always reminds me of an

1830
01:27:12,090 --> 01:27:08,880
article I read years ago with the the

1831
01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:12,100
lake psychic Peter hurkos

1832
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:16,450
and he was given one time a series of

1833
01:27:21,930 --> 01:27:19,570
boxes that had items in it and one of

1834
01:27:24,150 --> 01:27:21,940
his special specialities was he was able

1835
01:27:26,490 --> 01:27:24,160
to you know grasp things who has a

1836
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:26,500
psychometry I think what the term is and

1837
01:27:33,420 --> 01:27:29,530
get you know impressions from these

1838
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:33,430
objects well the the the instructors had

1839
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:36,730
put pictures and and you know items into

1840
01:27:42,030 --> 01:27:39,760
boxes so he couldn't see what what was

1841
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:42,040
inside and one of these boxes had a

1842
01:27:50,820 --> 01:27:48,930
picture of a three-toed footprint from a

1843
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:50,830
Bigfoot hotspot

1844
01:27:58,830 --> 01:27:54,480
well when hurkos got ahold of that box

1845
01:28:01,950 --> 01:27:58,840
he said that this was a creature that

1846
01:28:07,290 --> 01:28:01,960
was not from our reality that it could

1847
01:28:10,770 --> 01:28:07,300
come and go but it required energy but

1848
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:10,780
as the energy dissipated it would kind

1849
01:28:15,300 --> 01:28:13,090
of like start to fall apart which was

1850
01:28:17,550 --> 01:28:15,310
why the footprint only showed three toes

1851
01:28:20,370 --> 01:28:17,560
you know rather than than the normal

1852
01:28:22,470 --> 01:28:20,380
five but but he said that yeah it come

1853
01:28:23,940 --> 01:28:22,480
here for just a short period of time but

1854
01:28:28,500 --> 01:28:23,950
then it would run out of energy and go

1855
01:28:30,750 --> 01:28:28,510
back yes I've heard that before and I've

1856
01:28:32,580 --> 01:28:30,760
seen I could go on for hours about the

1857
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:32,590
things I've seen it the mini skinwalker

1858
01:28:37,290 --> 01:28:34,570
ranch that I've been helping the owner

1859
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:37,300
with out here for the past three years

1860
01:28:42,660 --> 01:28:39,610
all of these things and more and when

1861
01:28:44,460 --> 01:28:42,670
you come across them you can't deny with

1862
01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:44,470
your own eyes and and there's a lot of

1863
01:28:49,020 --> 01:28:47,380
room in there for misidentification hoax

1864
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:49,030
is all that sort of thing but throwing

1865
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:51,370
those things out you're still left with

1866
01:28:57,570 --> 01:28:54,250
a certain core of things that cannot be

1867
01:28:59,160 --> 01:28:57,580
explained with present science and I

1868
01:29:01,950 --> 01:28:59,170
don't know if we'll ever have a science

1869
01:29:05,610 --> 01:29:01,960
that can go and peek into what we

1870
01:29:08,370 --> 01:29:05,620
conceive of as separate dimensions but

1871
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:08,380
we have to keep those of us who are

1872
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,330
curious as long as it's happening I

1873
01:29:15,690 --> 01:29:12,880
think you're gonna find a core of a core

1874
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:15,700
of hard core researchers that are going

1875
01:29:22,710 --> 01:29:18,970
to keep going after it well Paul what is

1876
01:29:25,449 --> 01:29:22,720
the latest sighting or sightings up in

1877
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:25,459
your neck of the woods

1878
01:29:32,229 --> 01:29:30,050
well if you go back to 2016 in August

1879
01:29:35,799 --> 01:29:32,239
and Bellows Falls Vermont there was a

1880
01:29:38,350 --> 01:29:35,809
monkey sighted and they actually put

1881
01:29:40,509 --> 01:29:38,360
this up on their police Facebook page

1882
01:29:43,299 --> 01:29:40,519
and they had to take it down because

1883
01:29:46,620 --> 01:29:43,309
they had such a reaction to it in

1884
01:29:50,979 --> 01:29:46,630
September 2017 we had a gentleman who

1885
01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:50,989
found a five toad 20 inch track and East

1886
01:29:55,899 --> 01:29:53,689
Poultney Vermont and that wasn't too far

1887
01:29:59,140 --> 01:29:55,909
from where we had a sighting in December

1888
01:30:02,290 --> 01:29:59,150
on December 4th 2017 in the early

1889
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,300
morning hours during the supermoon of a

1890
01:30:06,219 --> 01:30:04,639
tall dark gray creature who was standing

1891
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:06,229
at the edge of the field and the

1892
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:08,510
gentleman felt that it was staring at a

1893
01:30:15,219 --> 01:30:11,360
group of deer he said it sent chills

1894
01:30:18,669 --> 01:30:15,229
through his spine so the sightings

1895
01:30:20,290 --> 01:30:18,679
continued in fact what I normally get

1896
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:20,300
our older sightings which are pretty

1897
01:30:24,580 --> 01:30:22,610
fascinating and we actually had a

1898
01:30:27,399 --> 01:30:24,590
sighting from 82 in the buck mountain

1899
01:30:31,810 --> 01:30:27,409
area in which five teens were playing a

1900
01:30:33,069 --> 01:30:31,820
game in a field called they called the

1901
01:30:35,500 --> 01:30:33,079
game chase they play it with a

1902
01:30:38,649 --> 01:30:35,510
flashlight and they said they heard

1903
01:30:41,589 --> 01:30:38,659
voices yelling their name as if to

1904
01:30:45,279 --> 01:30:41,599
entice them to try to find it the voice

1905
01:30:47,020 --> 01:30:45,289
and none of the teenagers knew who the

1906
01:30:48,669 --> 01:30:47,030
voice was or there shouldn't have been

1907
01:30:51,399 --> 01:30:48,679
anyone there they were in an isolated

1908
01:30:53,589 --> 01:30:51,409
area so we get very strange reports like

1909
01:30:55,899 --> 01:30:53,599
that and it turns out that in 2009 there

1910
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,909
were also strange growls in that same

1911
01:31:00,669 --> 01:30:58,159
region sounds a little like some of the

1912
01:31:03,540 --> 01:31:00,679
day Politis type research and then of

1913
01:31:08,469 --> 01:31:03,550
course and again any and any of these

1914
01:31:12,819 --> 01:31:08,479
recorded no no these were sounds out

1915
01:31:14,790 --> 01:31:12,829
playing and and no those sounds in 2009

1916
01:31:17,709 --> 01:31:14,800
were not recorded they were just noted

1917
01:31:20,140 --> 01:31:17,719
and then of course we have that strange

1918
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:20,150
case up in Lake Placid I have a sister

1919
01:31:24,729 --> 01:31:21,650
in Lake Placid and she said it was a

1920
01:31:25,870 --> 01:31:24,739
story of the year up there where this

1921
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:25,880
skier Danny

1922
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:29,689
Philippa tiss oh yes rano was skiing and

1923
01:31:35,469 --> 01:31:32,239
Whiteface Mountain disappeared they

1924
01:31:36,630 --> 01:31:35,479
brought in a search helicopter several

1925
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:36,640
searchers

1926
01:31:41,580 --> 01:31:39,970
they had dogs and and whatnot they could

1927
01:31:44,990 --> 01:31:41,590
not find him and he turns up in

1928
01:31:48,270 --> 01:31:45,000
Sacramento California five days later

1929
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:48,280
unaware of how he got there isn't that

1930
01:31:53,250 --> 01:31:51,610
it isn't that isn't that the one of the

1931
01:31:55,890 --> 01:31:53,260
well the stories in fact we covered that

1932
01:31:59,570 --> 01:31:55,900
along with a lot of the other well we

1933
01:32:02,880 --> 01:31:59,580
found some great what we call UFO

1934
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:02,890
kidnappings some of the older cases that

1935
01:32:10,530 --> 01:32:06,400
were stuck away in the a pro bulletin

1936
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:10,540
from South America and so we have we

1937
01:32:15,930 --> 01:32:13,330
have those in this book the UFO

1938
01:32:18,510 --> 01:32:15,940
hostilities and the evil alien agenda

1939
01:32:20,820 --> 01:32:18,520
but speaking of books we are right down

1940
01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:20,830
to the wire here and we want to go one

1941
01:32:27,270 --> 01:32:23,940
more time around the cryptid table and

1942
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:27,280
Paul how do people get in touch with you

1943
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:31,210
and if you've written any books that are

1944
01:32:34,470 --> 01:32:33,730
out there or what what is your future

1945
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:34,480
plans

1946
01:32:39,990 --> 01:32:38,050
sure well we're doing a lot of talks we

1947
01:32:41,610 --> 01:32:40,000
have a talk coming up here they're going

1948
01:32:44,370 --> 01:32:41,620
to have a festival in Whitehall on

1949
01:32:46,380 --> 01:32:44,380
September 29th and it's going to be the

1950
01:32:49,410 --> 01:32:46,390
Whitehall Sasquatch festival where we're

1951
01:32:51,210 --> 01:32:49,420
going to have talks and all sorts of

1952
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:51,220
things contests and should be a fun day

1953
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:53,530
and you get some legitimate information

1954
01:32:59,220 --> 01:32:56,530
there as well in October I'll be at

1955
01:33:01,530 --> 01:32:59,230
Chautauqua Lake in Mayville New York at

1956
01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:01,540
a Bigfoot Expo act October 12th and 13th

1957
01:33:07,020 --> 01:33:04,510
and if anybody needs to contact me I'm

1958
01:33:11,670 --> 01:33:07,030
right on Facebook or you can contact me

1959
01:33:15,930 --> 01:33:11,680
at bf Yeti one at yahoo.com there you go

1960
01:33:19,860 --> 01:33:15,940
and Linda I know you have a long list of

1961
01:33:22,950 --> 01:33:19,870
titles and a very active the website so

1962
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:22,960
take a shot well you can just go to

1963
01:33:27,660 --> 01:33:25,450
Linda Godfrey com no W is there anything

1964
01:33:30,450 --> 01:33:27,670
like that it's my blog and there you'll

1965
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:30,460
find a page with books on it you'll find

1966
01:33:34,830 --> 01:33:32,770
a listing of upcoming events I'm going

1967
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:34,840
to be at a bunch of things including the

1968
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:39,370
huge Michigan Paracon in August you can

1969
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:42,400
look that one up too there are lots of

1970
01:33:48,510 --> 01:33:45,040
it of encounter stories that are not in

1971
01:33:50,040 --> 01:33:48,520
my books that and right now I'm in the

1972
01:33:53,459 --> 01:33:50,050
middle of a batch of Michigan

1973
01:33:55,379 --> 01:33:53,469
that came to me just a few weeks ago in

1974
01:33:58,379 --> 01:33:55,389
the past month that I'm putting up there

1975
01:34:01,470 --> 01:33:58,389
so all kinds of things that are not in

1976
01:34:05,459 --> 01:34:01,480
in the books necessarily and you may you

1977
01:34:07,379 --> 01:34:05,469
may also find if you go to go again

1978
01:34:09,660 --> 01:34:07,389
the search button on Linda Godfrey com

1979
01:34:11,910 --> 01:34:09,670
put in Big Foot and branch and you'll

1980
01:34:14,280 --> 01:34:11,920
find my most terrifying episode it's

1981
01:34:16,379 --> 01:34:14,290
laid out with photos of the area and

1982
01:34:18,839 --> 01:34:16,389
everything that you might be interested

1983
01:34:21,899 --> 01:34:18,849
in well I'm going to go away and and

1984
01:34:25,530 --> 01:34:21,909
take a look at that myself and of course

1985
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:25,540
this episode will be archived at K cor

1986
01:34:30,390 --> 01:34:28,719
and in just a little while Tina will be

1987
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:30,400
working on it way away into the night

1988
01:34:39,899 --> 01:34:33,489
and then thanks to Peter will be up on

1989
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:39,909
YouTube at mr. ufos secret their files

1990
01:34:45,799 --> 01:34:43,090
and Tim Schwartz out there in Jasper you

1991
01:34:49,290 --> 01:34:45,809
know I didn't mention Jasper earlier

1992
01:34:51,589 --> 01:34:49,300
tonight I guess you're you're locking up

1993
01:34:54,209 --> 01:34:51,599
the dogs well you don't have a dog but

1994
01:34:54,899 --> 01:34:54,219
putting out the cat and letting him fend

1995
01:34:59,180 --> 01:34:54,909
for himself

1996
01:35:06,000 --> 01:34:59,190
oh no the cat stay inside we don't know

1997
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:06,010
it's you to go outside well we're both

1998
01:35:10,830 --> 01:35:09,040
going to protect the big foot a nest and

1999
01:35:14,370 --> 01:35:10,840
attempt what you're on your agenda

2000
01:35:17,209 --> 01:35:14,380
anything out there coming up oh well you

2001
01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:17,219
know I'm I'm starting to put together a

2002
01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:19,840
possible book you know to be published

2003
01:35:25,770 --> 01:35:23,260
by yourself with some of my some of my

2004
01:35:27,689 --> 01:35:25,780
writing so you know all the articles and

2005
01:35:29,339 --> 01:35:27,699
pieces that I've done for magazines and

2006
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,349
things like that just there something

2007
01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:31,119
I'm currently just working on right now

2008
01:35:33,660 --> 01:35:32,409
we'll see what happens in the near

2009
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:33,670
future well that that will keep you busy

2010
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:36,250
okay and don't forget weird winged

2011
01:35:42,959 --> 01:35:40,090
wonders and the forthcoming it probably

2012
01:35:45,330 --> 01:35:42,969
by the time you listen to this show for

2013
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:45,340
the third time you'll be able to get UFO

2014
01:35:50,399 --> 01:35:48,400
hostilities and the evil alien agenda

2015
01:35:52,500 --> 01:35:50,409
and good night Tina good night Peter

2016
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:52,510
good night Carol good night Helen good

2017
01:36:04,300 --> 01:36:00,430
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2018
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2019
01:36:08,050 --> 01:36:05,200
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2021
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:10,970
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2022
01:36:16,650 --> 01:36:13,040
the truly bizarre and totally

2023
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:16,660
unexplained with you as their combines

2024
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2028
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2029
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